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NEW SMALLER LISTENING ROOM - WHAT AM I NOT THINKING OF...???
rpf:
--- Quote from: toobluvr on April 29, 2021, 01:16:51 PM ---I'd consider putting the racks on the right wall next to the bookcase / cabinet.
Keeps the window view clear and eliminates the possibility of soundstage interference, and radiators heating up gear.
What's that you say? Now you need longer speaker cables, and ugliness is introduced as they snake
across the floor? :-k
Get some Duelund DCA16 gauge. Six weeks ago I rewired my system with it and I love it. Well balanced, natural and organic, harmonically complete.
On occasion you find it cheap when guys buy bulk for DIY projects, and then sell off the unused. I paid $1.75 per foot.
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=175406.msg1849563#msg1849563
Not horrible when dealers discount it to $3 per ft ($5 per ft normal price):
https://www.partsconnexion.com/DUELUND-81415.html
Super thin and flexible, easy to route. Can even place it under an area rug if you don't like seeing the left cable crossing the entire floor. (blasphemy, I know......apologies to the cable elevator adherrents :rofl:)
Lots of stuff online about it, especially the Jeff Day blogs / reviews.
Just a thought.....
As far as treating room acoustics -- no idea. I don't use anything other than natural room stuff like carpet, soft furniture and irregular surfaces created by bookcases / record racks. And I try to put lots of air around the speakers to reduce room effects as much as possible. You obviously need to deal with the windows. I had a similar situation with wall of windows behind my speakers. I just installed some heavy curtains. Seemed to work fine. The fact that the speakers were well forward into the room probably also helped. See my avatar and the red curtains behind my rack.
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Hey John, how's the bass with those cables? Do you find they have a good, extended, frequency balance?
South Carolina, huh. How do you like it?
Bill, I second what John said about moving the racks to the side wall. Unless the speakers are completely in front of the racks, placing the racks between the speakers will seriously screw up the soundstage.
toobluvr:
Hi Rob....
Good bass, frequency range sounds complete to me. To sum up succinctly -- smooth, balanced and natural. I likey. And I really like the no fuss / no muss bare wire sans connectors purist approach, and the thin-like-shoelace routing / flexibility. And of course, the price! :thumb:
SC? Friggin HUMID!! :rofl:
But winters are nice.
Almost ended up real close to you, Delray Beach. Long story for a private chat.
Take Care....
- John
rpf:
Thanks John. I think I'll try them, although I notice that your links are to hookup cable so four individual runs would have to be ordered. That might actually be more convenient for me and is definitely a little less expensive than ordering the equivalent gauge speaker cable. However does the hookup wire have the same oil impregnated cotton covering as the speaker cable and is it otherwise identical to the latter? There is also a heavier gauge speaker cable that might be interesting (12awg as opposed to 16awg).
PS: Send me a PM or call; I want to hear your story about how you ended up where you are and more about the area.
toobluvr:
--- Quote from: rpf on May 01, 2021, 08:07:01 AM ---Thanks John. I think I'll try them, although I notice that your links are to hookup cable so four individual runs would have to be ordered. That might actually be more convenient for me and is definitely a little less expensive than ordering the equivalent gauge speaker cable. However does the hookup wire have the same oil impregnated cotton covering as the speaker cable and is it otherwise identical to the latter? There is also a heavier gauge speaker cable that might be interesting (12awg as opposed to 16awg).
PS: Send me a PM or call; I want to hear your story about how you ended up where you are and more about the area.
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Yes, it gets a little confusing, this is what I've determined from research and the partsconnexion (PC) website.
(1) if you buy the individual runs of "hookup wire", you need 2 runs per speaker. I just gently twist them together like shown in the photos here:
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=155917.0
If you have bi-wire speakers and feel experimental, you can do 4 runs to each speaker. In my research I came across some comments (Jeff Day?) about nothing positive provided. Plus, things might get a little jammed up on the amp end. In my own case, initially I just wanted to try the single run.....see if I liked it.....and could always add a 2nd set in the future if I wanted to. Single run sounds so good on my bi-wire speakers, I have no desire to do so.
(2) If you read the earlier link to my AC seller, and the PC catalog, it does describe these individual runs of "hookup wire" as having the "cotton oil" covering.
Be careful, PC also sells Duelund cable with a Poly jacket instead of the "cotton oil:
https://www.partsconnexion.com/DUELUND-84782.html
(3) I'm pretty sure -- but not 100% definite -- that only diff between what PC calls "hookup wire" vs "speaker cable" is that the latter contains the 2 runs of the hookup wire inside of a braided outer jacket. Just like a traditional SC, so per speaker you just order the length you need.
at current prices, the 12awg "speaker cable" is the better deal:
https://www.partsconnexion.com/DUELUND-82323.html
https://www.partsconnexion.com/DUELUND-87080.html
(4) 12awg vs 16awg: TBH I didn't sweat it too much. My understanding is that the heavier gauge is for higher power situations. I'm moving to efficient speakers and low power tubes so I figure 16awg is fine. Plus, from what I could gather in my internet browsing, the 16 just seems to be the more popular choice. IIRC the few comparisons I did come across describes the 12 as maybe faster and a bit leaner and more resolved, while the 16 has a more relaxed and natural organic quality. I tend to gravitate to the latter.
PS: I enjoyed the SC so much that I bought this IC:
https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649707043-duelund-dca16ga-with-kle-copper-harmony-rca-interconnects/
It too sounds very nice. And great price when you consider the connectors alone cost about 50 bux. And I love love love how flexible and easy to route this stuff is. Sick and tired of thick / stiff / heavy pretentious audiophile cable. Ridic. Time to simplify.
I'll give you a call.
StereoNut:
I was reading through this article this morning and was surprised by this comment:
"Avoid left / right symmetry, especially with respect to corners, halls and walls. It’s okay to have your speakers symmetrical with each other, but make sure they’re not exactly symmetrical to the room."
https://www.aperionaudio.com/blogs/aperion-audio-blog/2-channel-stereo-speaker-placement
Whatta you guys thinking on this?
Thanks,
SN
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