Questions about interconnect metallurgy, geometry???

[P.I.]

Continued from another thread:

Everyone thinks copper, silver or gold is the be all and end all, but:

https://magnancables.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/magnan-cable-information1.pdf.

Dave is an alchemist.  His interconnects are unique in SQ.  For some, they are awesome.  For others, meh.  I can say they are very musical.  Thing is, must audiophools don't really want musical.

No, I no longer own his cables.  I build my own, to my preference.

[Nick B]

The dealer in so. California who really got me into high end audio (around 1990) carried Magnan cables at one point. Iirc, these were round with a very large diameter. I've never owned any Magnan cables.

Some of you might be aware that I auditioned the Hapa Silver interconnects recently and thought they were excellent. But they are pricey. In the late 1980s, I had a full loom of unshielded Music Metre silver foil cables and they put the  "SSSS" in sibilance. I'm presuming that was partly due to lower quality silver. Nowadays I am gravitating again toward the sound of silver. I appreciate copper for other uses like the excellent TWL HP Digital American II power cord that feeds my UberBUSS.

Recently I was told about a cable company that offers a silver/gold alloy cable. With solid silver AECO RCAs, that might be just the combination for me to enjoy detail and refinement with a touch of warmth. It's reasonably priced as well. I am in the group that prefers more of a closest to the original recording studio sound rather than live concerts where some of the "good stuff" gets obscured by poor acoustics or crowd noise.

[mresseguie]

Nick,

"Recently I was told about a cable company that offers a silver/gold alloy cable. With solid silver AECO RCAs, that might be just the combination for me to enjoy detail and refinement with a touch of warmth. It's reasonably priced as well. I am in the group that prefers more of a closest to the original recording studio sound rather than live concerts where some of the "good stuff" gets obscured by poor acoustics or crowd noise."

Now, why would you post this (knowing full well there are certain individuals whose radar ears/eyes PERK UP when the above statement is made) on an audio forum without also including a BIG warning sign?  Ya gotta....just GOTTA let me in on the secret (in an email if necessary). 

Michael

[Nick B]

Oh Michael. What have I done?? haha... It wasn't intentional! We have forum member Jack D here who has a friend named Vaughan who I got all the information from. Vaughan is a great guy and comes up with all kinds of interesting info. Today I spoke with the owner/sole proprietor of Spiritual Sound in NY state named Cameron Rector. The silver gold alloy wire IC was a one off as a client had the wire and asked Cameron to incorporate it. Now Cameron says he'd have to order quite a large amount of it. But!.... I have been doing a little research and there appear to be various vendors that offer it in small amounts. I need to get the exact info as to the gauge. Cameron says it's Neotech wire. So I'm going to pursue it as it's so intriguing and I was so pleased with my audition of the Hapa Silver and Cameron's customer is so happy with it. The website is spiritualsound.co  (not com) and Cameron is a really nice guy and enjoys talking audio too. He's retired and does this for fun and the cost of his silver interconnect is $350. Shoot him an email if you'd like and I will work on finding that silver gold wire.

Nick

[vsrrr]

Hey all!
Resolution and musicality - the holy grail I'm always chasing, but not always finding!
Great fun to have some companions on this quest!
Excited to see where this goes!
Best,
Vaughan

[P.I.]

Oh Michael. What have I done?? haha... It wasn't intentional! We have forum member Jack D here who has a friend named Vaughan who I got all the information from. Vaughan is a great guy and comes up with all kinds of interesting info. Today I spoke with the owner/sole proprietor of Spiritual Sound in NY state named Cameron Rector. The silver gold alloy wire IC was a one off as a client had the wire and asked Cameron to incorporate it. Now Cameron says he'd have to order quite a large amount of it. But!.... I have been doing a little research and there appear to be various vendors that offer it in small amounts. I need to get the exact info as to the gauge. Cameron says it's Neotech wire. So I'm going to pursue it as it's so intriguing and I was so pleased with my audition of the Hapa Silver and Cameron's customer is so happy with it. The website is spiritualsound.co  (not com) and Cameron is a really nice guy and enjoys talking audio too. He's retired and does this for fun and the cost of his silver interconnect is $350. Shoot him an email if you'd like and I will work on finding that silver gold wire.

Nick

Here is a source: https://partsconnexion.com/neotech-wire-26awg-silver-gold-alloy-clear/

[Nick B]

Hey all!
Resolution and musicality - the holy grail I'm always chasing, but not always finding!
Great fun to have some companions on this quest!
Excited to see where this goes!
Best,
Vaughan

Hey Vaughan,

Great to have you here! Yes, chasing that holy grail...or that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow 🌈

Nick

[Nick B]

Oh Michael. What have I done?? haha... It wasn't intentional! We have forum member Jack D here who has a friend named Vaughan who I got all the information from. Vaughan is a great guy and comes up with all kinds of interesting info. Today I spoke with the owner/sole proprietor of Spiritual Sound in NY state named Cameron Rector. The silver gold alloy wire IC was a one off as a client had the wire and asked Cameron to incorporate it. Now Cameron says he'd have to order quite a large amount of it. But!.... I have been doing a little research and there appear to be various vendors that offer it in small amounts. I need to get the exact info as to the gauge. Cameron says it's Neotech wire. So I'm going to pursue it as it's so intriguing and I was so pleased with my audition of the Hapa Silver and Cameron's customer is so happy with it. The website is spiritualsound.co  (not com) and Cameron is a really nice guy and enjoys talking audio too. He's retired and does this for fun and the cost of his silver interconnect is $350. Shoot him an email if you'd like and I will work on finding that silver gold wire.

Nick

Here is a source: https://partsconnexion.com/neotech-wire-26awg-silver-gold-alloy-clear/

Thanks much, Dave 👍

[Triode Pete]

Oh Michael. What have I done?? haha... It wasn't intentional! We have forum member Jack D here who has a friend named Vaughan who I got all the information from. Vaughan is a great guy and comes up with all kinds of interesting info. Today I spoke with the owner/sole proprietor of Spiritual Sound in NY state named Cameron Rector. The silver gold alloy wire IC was a one off as a client had the wire and asked Cameron to incorporate it. Now Cameron says he'd have to order quite a large amount of it. But!.... I have been doing a little research and there appear to be various vendors that offer it in small amounts. I need to get the exact info as to the gauge. Cameron says it's Neotech wire. So I'm going to pursue it as it's so intriguing and I was so pleased with my audition of the Hapa Silver and Cameron's customer is so happy with it. The website is spiritualsound.co  (not com) and Cameron is a really nice guy and enjoys talking audio too. He's retired and does this for fun and the cost of his silver interconnect is $350. Shoot him an email if you'd like and I will work on finding that silver gold wire.

Nick

Here is a source: https://partsconnexion.com/neotech-wire-26awg-silver-gold-alloy-clear/

Gents,
FWIW, GEOMETRY of the cables can be as IMPORTANT as the metallurgy...  in a lot of cases MORE IMPORTANT! just saying...

Cheers,
Pete

[Nick B]

Oh Michael. What have I done?? haha... It wasn't intentional! We have forum member Jack D here who has a friend named Vaughan who I got all the information from. Vaughan is a great guy and comes up with all kinds of interesting info. Today I spoke with the owner/sole proprietor of Spiritual Sound in NY state named Cameron Rector. The silver gold alloy wire IC was a one off as a client had the wire and asked Cameron to incorporate it. Now Cameron says he'd have to order quite a large amount of it. But!.... I have been doing a little research and there appear to be various vendors that offer it in small amounts. I need to get the exact info as to the gauge. Cameron says it's Neotech wire. So I'm going to pursue it as it's so intriguing and I was so pleased with my audition of the Hapa Silver and Cameron's customer is so happy with it. The website is spiritualsound.co  (not com) and Cameron is a really nice guy and enjoys talking audio too. He's retired and does this for fun and the cost of his silver interconnect is $350. Shoot him an email if you'd like and I will work on finding that silver gold wire.

Nick

Here is a source: https://partsconnexion.com/neotech-wire-26awg-silver-gold-alloy-clear/

Gents,
FWIW, GEOMETRY of the cables can be as IMPORTANT as the metallurgy...  in a lot of cases MORE IMPORTANT! just saying...

Cheers,
Pete

Absolutely will take your word on that, Pete. But quite difficult for the average guy to sometimes figure out what is sales hype vs really good design....

[P.I.]

Gents,
FWIW, GEOMETRY of the cables can be as IMPORTANT as the metallurgy...  in a lot of cases MORE IMPORTANT! just saying...

Cheers,
Pete

Absolutely.  Years ago I got trashed on another forum that shall remain nameless (OK.  Initials are PE-TT) about the diameter of my power cables.  I tried to explain that was for 3 reasons:

1 - controlling L/C (R is fixed)
2 - producing a self shielding lay
3 - flexibility

Flat-earthers just could not understand and called me a liar/charlatan.

Then, my MPC/Mini++ won a Brutus Award from Positive Feedback.

Pete, you nailed the "geometry thing". 

[rollo]

Ah cables again. There are many ways to skin the cat. Conductor type, shielding, dielectric, Ga, geometry an connectors used. IMHO impedance is very important. Speed of propagation as well. I leave it up to the Manf to offer a cable to try. We sell brands that are well engineered in three different price ranges. Why ? Synergy in ones system is the key. Knowing the character of your electronics dictates the cable to try. Our Fusion cable line as an example offers three types.All Silver, Silver/copper and copper models. ONE SIZE does not fit all. However we strongly recommend a loom if using same electronics though out your system. If not then a mix from one Manf. Trying is a must. Ya never know until you do.


charles

[Nick B]

Ah cables again. There are many ways to skin the cat. Conductor type, shielding, dielectric, Ga, geometry an connectors used. IMHO impedance is very important. Speed of propagation as well. I leave it up to the Manf to offer a cable to try. We sell brands that are well engineered in three different price ranges. Why ? Synergy in ones system is the key. Knowing the character of your electronics dictates the cable to try. Our Fusion cable line as an example offers three types.All Silver, Silver/copper and copper models. ONE SIZE does not fit all. However we strongly recommend a loom if using same electronics though out your system. If not then a mix from one Manf. Trying is a must. Ya never know until you do.


charles

I'm a cable believer including power cords. A while ago, I became impressed with/enamored with silver per Hapa Audio. But... the stuff is pricey. Then stumbled onto the Neotech silver/gold1% wire and asked for silver connectors. Had those built for a very good price. Now breaking in Neotech high purity square copper wire speaker cables with silver spades. The ICs were airy and holographic. The SCs, not yet. They have 100 hours on the Hagerman burner and I want a lot more hours on them before reaching a conclusion.

Nick

[rollo]

Breaking in cables must allow dielectric to settle. 18 hours on 6 hours off until 200 hours. If using rhodium anything 700 hours or more. A proven method over thousands of hours of using it.


charles

[Nick B]

Breaking in cables must allow dielectric to settle. 18 hours on 6 hours off until 200 hours. If using rhodium anything 700 hours or more. A proven method over thousands of hours of using it.


charles

That will work with my normal usage now. I was starting to get an inkling of more air late last night. If these don't work out, not sure if I'll put the WyWires Silver (made of copper) back in or ??