Welcome to the
Grover Huffman Speaker Cable Group Buy!Take advantage of special pricing from Grover on his newest "SC." (SCdot) speaker cables in this AudioNervosa group buy. Grover has never offered discounts on speaker cables before, so a big thanks to Grover from AudioNervosa. Only AudioNervosa members are eligible, so register today and join the fun.
The Group Buy ends at midnight on Tuesday, April 21. That's 4 weeks, so spread the word!
A group buy featuring Grover's "SCdot" interconnect cables will follow after the speaker cables.
6 common configurations are pre-calculated:
Model | List | 15% discount (1-5) | 20% discount (6-10) | 30% discount (11+) |
Single 6ft | 240.00 | 204.00 | 192.00 | 168.00 |
Single 8ft | 320.00 | 272.00 | 256.00 | 224.00 |
Single 10ft | 480.00 | 408.00 | 384.00 | 336.00 |
Biwire 6ft | 450.00 | 382.50 | 360.00 | 315.00 |
Biwire 8ft | 600.00 | 510.00 | 480.00 | 420.00 |
Biwire 10ft | 750.00 | 637.50 | 600.00 | 525.00 |
Custom lengths are possible. Calculate the list price at $40/ft single, or $75/ft biwire. Please (pretty please) triple check your math and write your specification extremely carefully. Then sleep on it and proofread again in the morning. Grover will work from what you write in the Notes section, but I have to make sure it makes sense for him. If it becomes difficult for me or Grover, custom lengths will be excluded from the GB.
Biwires count as 1.5 in the tally. The running tally will be displayed in the next post after this, along with paid buyers' member names. If you don't want your purchase posted, just mention that in the Notes section of your order.
Connectors: Grover recommends using no connectors, just
gently clamp the raw ribbon in your amp and speaker posts. Some people prefer the convenience and durability of standard connector termination, so it is available as an option. Choose silver-plated spades or bananas, or any combination. Grover is fanatical about connector quality and sound, so these are probably a good bargain too. Price is $8 per connector installed - that's $96 for 12 connectors per Biwire Set, and $64 for 8 connectors per Single set. To add connectors to your order, just add
"w/Spades" or
"w/Bananas" to the model name on your order. If you have a special request, like "spades at amp and bananas at speaker," or "spades at amp and no connectors at speaker," then please detail that in the Notes section.
Example:
"1 - Biwire 8ft w/Bananas - $621 "
How to order: Cut and paste the section between the arrows >>> into an Email with subject "SC-GB"
Send it to 911rich at bellsouth dot com
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AN member name
Real Name
Shipping address
Shipping City, ST ZIP+4
Phone number (required)
Email address (required)
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Quantity - Model - total price (Use a separate line for each different model)
Add shipping ($11.00 per cable set to US addresses) Grover will contact int'l buyers via email.
Grand total
Payment method
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Any special Notes:
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Payment: cash, check, money order or Paypal. Send paypal to 911rich at bellsouth dot com.
PM richidoo for mailing address. If you are a new AN member that I don't know and paying by check, please make your order early, so the others don't have to wait for your check to clear after the GB closes. Please add 4% fee if you use Paypal.
Ecological Statement: To reduce the carbon footprint of this Group Buy, and save an extra leg of shipping cost ;) the cables will be drop-shipped by Grover from CA, USA. Thanks Grover!
There will be
no audition tour. Grover is sending a sample set of biwire speaker wires and interconnects on loan to AN in NC. All AN members everywhere are invited to attend one of the
listening parties in NC - to be announced. If you can't attend the g2g, check out the banter on the review page (http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=1351.0) for listening impressions and Q&A.
All sales are final. Grover's normal "60 Day Return - No Financial Risk" refund policy does not apply to purchases made in this group buy. No changes after April 21. The cables are warranteed against mfg. defect. If you decide the cables are not to your liking, you will be pleased to find that Grover Huffman wires sell quickly on the used market at the AN group buy price. But please try AN first - keep them in the family!
Please post your
questions about the group buy and specific cable questions in this thread. Please post your listening impressions in the review thread (http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=1351.0).
After the group buy closes, please be patient to allow Grover to build the custom cables. It will be worth the wait!
Thanks and have fun!!Rich
Running Tally = 1
:yay2:
Who's in:
Gilles
Rich,
I'll start...put me down for an 8ft single pair...so far. When I get time I might add others (???).
Some questions for Grover:
- Please explain the differences in construction and performance of single wire vs Biwire.
- For whom do you recommend Biwire, and for whom is single wire the best choice?
- Are the conductors still all silver, or other metals now too?
- Are the standard connection leads round wire, or flat ribbon?
- Is the carbon nickel shield used in the speaker cable design also?
Thanks!
Rich
If it helps, here's a link to Grover's speaker cable page on his site...
http://www.groverhuffman.com/speakercables (http://www.groverhuffman.com/speakercables)
Just enough info to get us drooling :drool: but not enough to quench our thirst :rofl:
I would like to thank Grover for having another group buy opportunity and also thank Rich for organizing this thing. The new SCs really have my interest and hope to have the opportunity to hear them before the 21st. of April.
Thanks Again,
Ken
Thanks for the link Mike.
Ken, I'm very interested to hear them too.
for the different discounts, is that the total number of buyers (cables) to receive that discount or would the individual have to purchase that number of cables to get the discount?
I'm pretty sure that would be the 'total' of all orders.
Rich will correct me if I'm wrong #-o!
The discount is based on # cables purchased.. biwires count as 1.5 cables.
-Carl
You got it right, it's the total number of cables ordered by everyone. It should not be too hard to get to 11 cables.
Ok, everybody think 6ft. single pair :)
I don't think they all have to be the same kind - do they Rich? I think it's just any 11 pair total.
Bryan
I want to sign up but will have to wait for $'s to appear. Will want an 8' pair, terminated. Don't count me in/don't count me out!
Any combination, any type. One count to count them all. It's so easy! :D
shep I will pencil you in, then erase it, but leave a trace behind for forensics. :D
I'm likely in for a biwire pair but can only do so if we reach the 30% since I'll need a long length. (hey, don't you think that an 18' biwire pair ought to count the same as three 6' biwire pairs? :rofl:
Some questions for Grover:
Please explain the differences in construction and performance of single wire vs Bi wire.
For whom do you recommend Bi wire, and for whom is single wire the best choice?
Are the conductors still all silver, or other metals now too?
Are the standard connection leads round wire, or flat ribbon?
Is the carbon nickel shield used in the speaker cable design also?
Hi Guys, single Speaker cable is a cable pair (positive and negative) to each speaker, the Bi-wire speaker cable is 2 cable pairs (2 positive and 2 negative) to each speaker. The mid high dedicated cable of the Bi-wire is specially designed to maximize the midrange frequencies.
The conductors are a very carefully designed blend of fine Copper and Silver ribbons of various gauges.
The terminations are heavy silver plated copper connectors. The wire termination is round wire.
All my cables incorporate my unique carbon nickel shield, it dramatically improves performance.
Grover, the package arrived safely on Friday. They look beautiful. They have new cable smell... 8) I got them playing right away, I have about 15 hours on them so far. I'm not listening yet, but yes, they do sound like wires. :D
Now we need to organize a g2g. The wires will have 100+ hours by next weekend so we could do it as early as then. Mike, are you up for hosting? Or I could do it - or both? Thanks
OK, I could do a G2G on Saturday April 18th which is before the deadline on the Grover group buy. Would that work? I will have to figure out how to make the 10' cables work but that's doable I think.
P.S... Final Four weekend starts next Saturday. Listening to audio vs watching the Heels? Sorry, bball wins hands down.
Rich, let me know if the 18th works and I'll post to the G2G forum.
Can't wait to check out Grover's speaker cables!
We could always have 2 G2G's.. I'm going to finagle a way to hear them at Rich's sooner rather than later...
-C
" shep I will pencil you in, then erase it, but leave a trace behind for forensics." Thanks, just as long as it doesn't screw up the count! I will be sending Grover some boodle very soon for the I.C. upgrade but that probably doesn't count as anything towards a group buy. I really wan't those new spkr cales but don't think I'm going to be able to swing it. The credit crunch is more like a steam-roller over here. I'm glad to just be able to pay the rent and eat. This "hobby" is a serious self-indulgence! The other think that tweaks my interest, but this is really off-topic, is the thought that I could benfit from a much better power cable. I bought a decent one off someone in Germany (e-bay) but I don't know if it is really anygood. Something else to worry about...
I have kids on weekends so evenings are the only time I can get away. But I am available on 18th evening. I would get there at 7:30 pm but I can get the wires to you ahead of time.
The wires are 8 footers. They are biwires, but not sheathed together like the standard version. Grover made them that way so that we can also sample the single wire type by itself. Banana compatible posts are required on the amp to enable the separate conductors for this special demo pair. Normal biwires would have only two conductors at one end, and four at the other, sheathed together for neatness.
I can also host on April 4, 4pm or April 11th, 4pm.
No problem shep, you're making the right decision. Keep your powder dry!
I'm in for 1 Single set of 8 feet I'm from Canada and will pay with a M.O. in USD...
Thanks Grover!
Gilles
Quote from: Gilles on March 31, 2009, 08:18:44 AM
I'm in for 1 Single set of 8 feet I'm from Canada and will pay with a M.O. in USD...
Thanks Grover!
Gilles
Welcome to AN Gilles!
PM sent with mailing address for your MO.
Thank you,
Gilles
I sent off my older SC's yesterday. Fingers crossed.
These Grover SC's got me wondering how much better can they be compared to my JPS Super Conductor+ SC's. If I did not like the JPS so much and had not just bought them a few months ago, from Shane, I would be in for Grover SC. But I really like the JPS cables. So,this time I will wait for the group buy on Grover's IC's.
Henry
Could some owner here tell me what they like about these cables? HOw do they compare to other similar priced SC's? I usually don't put much money in cables and want to avoid adding another part of the audio system to "obsess" over. Too many other things. :) However, 30% off gets my attention.
Here's what I have now: http://www.audiocircle.com/systems/index.php?systemid=810 Any chance cables would be a noticable improvement at this point in my audio journey?
Rob S.
Mine are on their way! If you are happy with your system (which looks good by the way) then don't change anything! I suspect better speaker cables would be a good idea but then I'm a certified audio neurotic so don't pay any attention. Seriously though, even though I haven't heard them, for the price (of the group buy) you can hardly go wrong and I think you might be surprised...Assuming you give them some serious break-in time.
I've only lived long term with the IC's.. up through the next-to-last version. I am very satisfied with the way they sound. They are indeed an excellent bargain in high end cabling. I would wager they are a step up from the Analysis Plus cable, which is saying a lot since those aren't bad at all.
Now.. for speaker cables... I'm using Reality Cables because they blend well (synergize) with my particular setup. They got their butts handed to them in the last 'shootout' with Grover speaker cables. However when I got home, I still enjoyed the Reality's in my system and didn't wish for more. I've also used Analysis Plus Oval 9's with good results.. but not stellar. They were 'really nice' but didn't do anything magical for me. I've compared many speaker cables.. and usually to a control piece of zip cord or whatever cheapo stuff I have lying around.. and the cheapo stuff is always definitively worse in every way. I always want to be able to say zip cord beat some expensive cable but I haven't had that be the case yet.
In any case... Since the days of my comparisons over a year ago, I've upgraded everything in my system but mainly the room itself. Since I've moved to bigger speakers and am in the process of moving into the big room, I'm now very interested in hearing the Grovers again.. and soon... I'm going to Mike's G2G Saturday to put my ear on them. Ironically, that's the same day I'm technically starting the big move to the big room so my system will be starting to come together rapidly.. and I'll only have acoustic panels as my final project to complete for sound perfection. :)
-C
Carlman,it would be interesting to see your impressions of a comparison between the Reality cables and the Grovers within the context of your system. If your do this please post your impressions.
Scotty
carlman, are you going to take your straleys with you to the gtg?
if so please give details of the comparison as i own straleys now am thinking about the grovers.
i purchased some elf super helix gold speaker cables and they are nice sounding but i got the 18ga. version and before i spend money to exchange them for the 16ga. version would like to know about the grovers.
I gave the speaker cables to Mike today, also 2 pairs of the latest ICs. I'm looking forward to seeing the gang, and hearing the Grovers and Mike's system.
I am taking my Reality's to Mike's but.... Comparing them on an unfamiliar system/room/setup will make it tough to be definitive about it... or whether I even like them more or less.
I do plan on doing some nice comparo's in my room once I have the acoustic panels finished.
When I'm finished, I will have done everything that I know possible to be able to do comparisons and feel comfortable stating that a certain item made a difference and in what way. I'm guessing June will be the time to have our first G2G.. and I want to have some power-hungry amps here... :)
Yup, I got the cables from Rich but won't actually be able to do anything with them until Saturday since I'll need to move all my components to put them within 8' reach of the speakers. But I am burning in a couple pair of Grover's SCdot ICs of my own.
Looking forward to Saturday!
Quote from: Carlman on April 15, 2009, 03:58:15 PM
I want to have some power-hungry amps here... :)
Then I will bring the Altmann BYOB. ;)
someone here please email or PM me with the results from the GTG. Have cash for SC's, just need some impressions before I spend $500 on wire. Thanks,
Rob S.
I'm sitting on the sideline on this. I'd like to pull the trigger if we can get enough parties to participate re: best price.
So, I'm a "maybe". If there are more "maybe"s out there with a similar thought process who have not chimed in, it'd be a help to at least me to know how many others are waiting to see if the group buy will reach the lowest price tipping point.
The way cables will interact with a system is pretty unpredictable and personally I would underscore this heavily before giving a recommendation or even an opinion but if there is a consensus; if several have the same experience in totally differerent acoustic environnements, then I am usually swayed and can take a plunge. In these times of penury it's true that plunking down X dollars for this stuff begins to become less of a "what the hell" option and requires more thought. What is great about Grover is his willingness to let us have upgrades for a nominal cost. I am once again counting the hours or days waiting for the Male Box to disgorge it's contents (I know... :duh)
Like some of the previous posters I am also sitting on the sidelines and looking forward to visiting Mike's tomorrow for the SC shoot-out. I currently use HT Pro 9 bi-wire SCs and also own a pair of Straley Reality Cables. Carl is bringing his Straley's and I will be bringing my HT's to the G2G tomorrow night for comparison to the JPS and Grovers. If the Grovers outperform this pretty stiff competition I will (gulp) be laying down the cash for a pair.
Ken
Quote from: stereofool on March 23, 2009, 03:33:54 PM
Rich,
I'll start...put me down for an 8ft single pair...so far. When I get time I might add others (???).
Rich,
I'm putting myself on the sideline, for now...sorry!
I already have some JPS's, and now I know that they are going to be mighty tough to beat. If Grover can make the same degree of improvement to his SC's, as he has his IC's, then I would be interested in a future iteration.
OK
Grover wants to hear the speaker wires himself, inspect and make sure they are working properly. Then we will listen to them again at a G2G at my house in May. I offered to send my JPS wires to Grover in the fun spirit of sharing the hobby with friends so he can better understand the criticism from the G2G.
I will extend the Group Buy date to fit in another g2g.
I deliberately did not listen critically until the G2G so that I could share the fun of discovery with the others. Grover is a super guy and is very interested in correcting the problem and trying again. rmacklin is a very happy user of Grover's speaker wires, and we all know he is a straight shooter. The Grover S wires bested many other popular brands at the last speaker wire shootout, so I am excited to hear that level of performance again from Grover. More to come.
Rich
I'll keep an open mind to possibilities :-P.
I wasn't aware wires could be defective but hope he finds the problem and fixes it... and explains what caused the issue.
-C
Quote from: richidoo on April 19, 2009, 06:03:53 AM
I will extend the Group Buy date to fit in another g2g.
Please let me know when this is as I have been working on something I would like you guys to hear and provide me feedback on.....good or bad, it all helps.
Interesting comments or lack thereof.... What did you guys hear? Feel free to Pm me or start another thread if you like.
Thanks,
Rob S.
Hi Rob!
Comments here: http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=1368.15
They didn't sound as good as we expected. Grover is gonna check them out before our next g2g on May 23 when we will take another listen to them.
oooops, disregard the last post... I found the feedback on the GTG thread
Rob S.
I followed all the comments re the G2G (which I could not make)
and the speaker cables comparisons. I have never had the pleasure
to hear the JPS Aluminatas (or downward in their line), or the Straley Realitys,
but I can say I have not detected what I would call any "harsh" or "brittle"
qualities while having the latest Grover "SC" speaker cables in my system since
February 10th.
I hope Grover can find any problem with the G2G set and explain the problem!
I took my folks to Tennessee's Fall Creek Falls State Park on Saturday and
walked a short distance off the gorge loop road down to Buzzard Roost. There
I remembered "Weez," who was a moderator on AudioNervosa forum before his passing...
he had lived in Cookeville TN another 30 miles or west of I-40 beyond Crossville, which we had passed through on the way down from Oak Ridge.
I hope Weez was remembered at the G2G (or will be at the next one at Rich's)...
Thanks Roger, I think about WEEZ all the time, but only mention him when the opportunity is ripe, sometimes people feel uncomfortable with old memories. He was my first online mentor and I still follow his advice all the time. He was so advanced and yet so patient and cool. I finally saw a picture of him in Double Ugly's Audio Circle Gallery, from when they went to the marching band competition. It's been 1.5 years since he passed.