Guys:
Once I sold the ModWright Transporter I posted that I intended to pursue a computer/dac solution for my system. Someone responded to my post that I should at least look into the Tranquility DAC that was creating a buzz over on AC. After trading PMs and talking to several happy Tranquility Owners I decided to call db Audio Labs for additional information. I spoke with Eric Hider, owner of db Audio Labs, and he recommended the following system which I now have in place:
1. db Audio Labs Tranquility DAC
2. db Audio Labs USB Cable
3. Mac Mini
a) Snow Leopard Operating System
b) Replace the stock hard drive with a Solid State Drive
c) My used Mini came with 4 GB of Ram
4. Fire Wire External Hard Drive
5. To experiment with various music player software. I have selected Pure Music based on recommendations on Computer Audiophile.
When I received the external hard drive the first thing I had to do was convert all of my .flac files to .aiff. I have yet to be able to get all of my album art, etc. transferred.
The operation to open the Mac Mini and change out the stock drive tested my nerves but it turned-out to be a piece of cake. Intalled the operating system disk and I was back in business in a short time. The reason for the SS drive is to reduce power and noise requirements of the Mini. Once completed my Mini is dead silent!
The music from the Mac Mini/Tranquility System is quite a bit different from the Transporter. With the Tranquility System the background is much quieter, of course no tube noise, and I find the music to be more detailed without being fatiguing. I find the bass to very tight and controlled (maybe that is the Moscode). I have listened for hours on end and find myself constantly taping my foot!
I am not nor will I make a claim that the Mac Mini/Tranquility System is the best digital playback system available. It is just the very best digital source I have had in my system! Having grown up with Analog I can say without a doubt this digital system has a very analog sound character to it.
Yes, I am very happy, for now! :thumb:
Ken
PS: I think my choice of the Tranquility DAC was in a large part due to wanting a Mac Computer. Many on Computer Audiophile tout the Mac Mini as a great music server because it does not have much inside the case to add noise to the digital signal. I personally find the Mini to be extremely user friendly and very, very fast! I also must add that Eric Hider is an expert with the Mac Mini and has spent time with me on the phone to esure it is optimized to send the best possible signal to the Tranquility!
Congrats Ken! A long journey is coming to a happy destination.
No flac, huh? I didn't know that! Maybe Pure Music / iTunes wouldn't work for Carl after all... He has trillions of zigabytes of flac.
iirc, further improvements are to be had modding the Mac with external linear power supply. haha, sorry, I couldn't resist. :-P
Kan't wait to hear it!
Quote from: richidoo on June 20, 2010, 04:22:48 PM
Congrats Ken! A long journey is coming to a happy destination.
No flac, huh? I didn't know that! Maybe Pure Music / iTunes wouldn't work for Carl after all... He has trillions of zigabytes of flac.
iirc, further improvements are to be had modding the Mac with external linear power supply. haha, sorry, I couldn't resist. :-P
Kan't wait to hear it!
Hi Rich:
Yes, there are some looking to replace the switching power supply of the Mac Mini with a linear power supply. I have no doubt a linear supply would prove by listening tests to be superior to the standard switching power supply I don't think I can justify it. A $600.00 computer with a $1000.00 power supply - I don't think so!
Ken
Quote from: richidoo on June 20, 2010, 04:22:48 PM
No flac, huh? I didn't know that! Maybe Pure Music / iTunes wouldn't work for Carl after all... He has trillions of zigabytes of flac.
I use a Mac and I can play .wav files, Flacs, Wavpack, Ape, Ogg, or whatever, using this playback software:
http://sbooth.org/Play/ (http://sbooth.org/Play/)
Load up your playlist and go...I don't need no steenking iTunes. Created by Stephen Booth, on his own time. Very good player and it's FREE. Well worth checking out.
Sol can make one for ya. A friend of mine did it to his Mini, using Pure Music and a DAC just like you, I'll ask him what he did and what info is out there. He said it was a big improvement.
EDIT: This is my 4000th post on AN. :shock: I'm gonna let you guys ketchup.
When I posted yesterday I forgot to include a comment that The Tranquility is a NOS DAC. Pure Music will allow me to upsample but I am using it in NOS Mode.
Rich:
Some folks have approached Paul Haynes about building a linear power supply for the Mac Mini. Apparently the Mini has something called "iSense connection" to allow the Mini to boot properly. I don't know if this presents further challenges (and expense) to build a linear supply for the unit? Eric Hider told me a linear supply made a noticable improvement to the sound but he questioned the commercial viability of bringing one to market. It as I commented in a post approximately a month ago, when is good enough, good enough?
Ken
Ken, that is truly fantastic news. You will grow to love loving the music with that setup. Once the setup woes are over, the non-os sound and excellent PRAT and other synergies you have going on, not much else will compare.
You've moved from building a great system where you just wanted that wow factor... to builing a system that really matches your listening tastes... where 'wow' takes a back seat to intimacy.. Like going from a girl you boink to a girl you marry. ;)
-C
Quote from: Bigfish8 on June 21, 2010, 05:25:39 AM
... when is good enough, good enough?
Ken
I suspect when you're content enough to quit asking that question :rofl: (but nervosa will probably continue to haunt you occasionally)
Quote from: Carlman on June 23, 2010, 08:17:53 AM
... where 'wow' takes a back seat to intimacy.. Like going from a girl you boink to a girl you marry. ;)
-C
Hmmm, interesting analogy! But just because you've found the perfect girl to marry doesn't mean you're dead. Where does
"look but don't touch" play into this? :yay2: Yeah, I can read TAS without buying the big ticket items. It's definitely the touching that gets me in trouble. :rofl:
I hope I never feel like it's good enough. How boring would that be? :lol:
The audiophile hobby to me is about learning and trying new things. Along the way I have become more and more jaded as my listening skills have improved and I get to hear other systems better than mine. Too many A-HA moments, "Wow, I never knew a stereo could do that!" :idea: Then I want it for myself...
Touching is for DIY'ers. :thumb:
QuoteKen, that is truly fantastic news. You will grow to love loving the music with that setup. Once the setup woes are over, the non-os sound and excellent PRAT and other synergies you have going on, not much else will compare.
You've moved from building a great system where you just wanted that wow factor... to builing a system that really matches your listening tastes... where 'wow' takes a back seat to intimacy.. Like going from a girl you boink to a girl you marry.
Carl:
I have to comment that we had a G2G at Rich's and while there Shane talked to me about pursuing a computer music server/dac system. This was before I went down the ModWright Transporter route to audio expense hell! I have to admit I was not ready a couple of years ago to go the computer server route, hell, I was scared about taking the plunge even after selling the Transporter. While I guess it would appear I chased the "wow factor system" with the ModWright Transporter I was sold on the convenience of Squeezecenter and music streaming. I was not satisfied with the modded Squeezebox and I wanted the best "one box streaming system" I could purchase. It seemed the ModWright Transporter was the right solution but even with all the mods and tube changes it just never lived up to the hype, at least for me it didn't. Finally, I got sick of dealing with the tube issues and said someone else can be happier with it than me!
There are many posts on AC and Audiogon about the sound of the Mac Mini/Tranaquility DAC System. The only thing negative you can find is that it is not a 'high rez DAC." I bought it from Eric Hider and it was clear he understood I would return it for the restocking fee if I weren't happy. Eric made recommendations for the Mini and help me configure it to be best music server it is capable of being. The only thing else I can consider adding to it is a linear power supply.
The soundstage with this system is very large and on some music tracks you can hear the position of every instrument on the stage. I never heard that type of detail with the Transporter. I am just totally absorbed by the music of this sytem. Some would classify me possibly as a "Fan Boy" of the Tranquility but I am not a fan boy of any piece of gear. I am extremely happy with this system and would suggest others try it for themselves!
QuoteI hope I never feel like it's good enough. How boring would that be?
Rich:
I don't know if it will be boring but I hope to try it for awhile!
Ken
Ken,
Interesting stuff. I'm trying to get a handle on cost since this seems a viable option for computer audio. Can you tell me how much the ss (if not included in the $600 mac mini cost) and external drive costs?
Thanks.
Phil
QuoteThere are many posts on AC and Audiogon about the sound of the Mac Mini/Tranaquility DAC System.
Ken...Too bad you didn't make it to RMAF '09....you would of heard the set up sooner.
Danny/GR Research had it running in his room with his new V speakers....I went back to that romm three times...it sounded very good. One of the best rooms at the show.
Glad it's all working out for you.... :beer:
Quote from: Phil on June 23, 2010, 08:18:10 PM
Ken,
Interesting stuff. I'm trying to get a handle on cost since this seems a viable option for computer audio. Can you tell me how much the ss (if not included in the $600 mac mini cost) and external drive costs?
Thanks.
Phil
Phil:
I had the exact same questions in early May. Eric Hider responded with the following recommendation concerning the solid state drive:
The OCZ Vertex drives are a solid choice. Here's a link to a plethora of online sources for this SSD -
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=safari&rls=en&q=ocz+vertex&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=15731316614604654814&ei=E835S7PzBoH48AbK95CBDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQ8wIwAg#ps-sellers
(http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=safari&rls=en&q=ocz+vertex&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=15731316614604654814&ei=E835S7PzBoH48AbK95CBDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQ8wIwAg#ps-sellers)
This is the External Hard Drive I purchased:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002RL8IH2/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?ie=UTF8&cloe_id=1bec38bf-e71c-49dd-ad7c-c9e78fec19ad&attrMsgId=LPWidget-A2&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000J1HPJY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=04XASHSGR34VK5KYQRNQ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002RL8IH2/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?ie=UTF8&cloe_id=1bec38bf-e71c-49dd-ad7c-c9e78fec19ad&attrMsgId=LPWidget-A2&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000J1HPJY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=04XASHSGR34VK5KYQRNQ)
I know several folks that have not switched-out the stock internal drive in their Mac Minis and they are happy. However, I am just using mine for a music server and everything I have read state the SS drive is better. I switched mine out before ever trying it with the stock drive.
One last comment concerning the Mac Mini. Eric Hider told me any Mini capable of running the Snow Leopard Operating System is more than capable of being a music server for the Tranquility. You do not need the latest, most powerful processor but he does recommend the Snow Leopard System.
Good Luck,
Ken
Ken,
Did you try the modded SB3 route or went straight to the ModWright Transporter? If you tried the SB3, how was it modified and what differences did you notice when you upgraded to the Transporter?
I set up a ReadyNAS a few years back and have since bumped up the storage to 4TB but have remained tied to my MacPro/iTunes using the AIFF format. My wife finds this convenient for loading her iPod in AAC but I'm wondering if there's a better overall approach sound-wise that remains simple (I'm not computer-savvy). Any impressions or recommendations you can share would be appreciated.
Thanks, Bryan
I use the ReadyNAS now for fileserving to my Sonos system. I still run Squeezecenter (or whatever the hell it is called this week) on the ReadyNAS for my kids to use the SB3. I had to replace the ReadyNAS powersupply recently, it is a common flaw if it is old enough to use the counterfeit chinese power supply caps. I think I made a post about it here on AN if you search a little. Bought new netgear PS on Amazon.
I switched from Logitech players to Sonos for the better reliability and interface, but it is no better sound quality than the logitech stuff, probably worse in analog and digital. But it is worth it to be rid of Slimserver. My DAC cleans it up so they sound the same.
I store music in flac, but my wife also wants her tracks in Apple lossless. dbpoweramp music converter makes it easy to convert them for her. I don't store any files in apple lossless though, just on her ipod.
iTunes itself is generally thought to be not hifi worthy, due to the poor quality audio section and bad ripping quality, among other issues. I don't know all the technical details. Some Google hits. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=itunes+audio+quality) Check out Pure Music (http://www.channld.com/pure-music1.html) to upgrade the iTunes playback section to audiophile quality. There are several PC rippers that assure bit perfect copy from CD, I'm sure there are some on Mac too, but I'm not familiar with them. iTunes rips are not accurate. But when I have a disk that has scratches I rip it with errors and can't hear any difference. :rofl:
Rich
Quote from: JBryan on June 24, 2010, 07:43:52 AM
Ken,
Did you try the modded SB3 route or went straight to the ModWright Transporter? If you tried the SB3, how was it modified and what differences did you notice when you upgraded to the Transporter?
I had a SB3 with analog mods performed by Bolder Cable Co. along with an Elpac Power Supply that had been modded by Bolder. The SB3 fed into a Burson Buffer to a preamp to the amps. The preamp at the time was an Odyssey Candela which used 12AU7 Tubes. I also was using SP Technology Timepiece 2.1 Monitor Speakers. While it was in the beginning stages of my audiophile phobia this system did not fit my needs for being musical. I would use the words dry sounding, sterile, lacked emotion and just was not for me.
I kept the SB3 and Burson Buffer for another system and purchased the ModWright Transporter because it was reviewed to be the best streaming digital source on the planet. The addition of the tube output stage adds the things tubes add to systems -midrange bloom or warmth and I was able to further refine the sound by continually upgrading to different tubes. Ended up with $600.00 worth of tubes in it when I sold it.
Now, if you were to ask me if I would have the SB3 analog modded again and or would I purchase a ModWright Transporter again, the answer to both is no. I would purchase a linear power supply for the SB3, purchase a quality digital cable, purchase a good quality DAC send the signal to a good quality preamp and be happy. I honestly feel like I chased the rabbit down the wrong hole.
I set up a ReadyNAS a few years back and have since bumped up the storage to 4TB but have remained tied to my MacPro/iTunes using the AIFF format. My wife finds this convenient for loading her iPod in AAC but I'm wondering if there's a better overall approach sound-wise that remains simple (I'm not computer-savvy). Any impressions or recommendations you can share would be appreciated.
I recommend you experiment with Sbooth and Pure Music software for the Mac to determine if you feel either is superior to ITunes. I selected Pure Music which offers a 21 day trial over SBooth which is free.
Good luck on your decisions.
Ken
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Thanks, Bryan
Thanks for the links, Ken.
This stuff is confusing. Stuff to rip the software, the database to organize it and maybe play it, other software to improve playback, etc.
Is there a site that summarizes some of these different approaches (type of PC/Apple, preferred operating system, external vs internal drives, ripping software, database and kinds of interfaces, etc.)?
Then there are the different approaches: Bryston's usb drive thingie (in development) that feeds a DAC, the Olive (which seems to be an all-in-one approach), the Sooloos ( :drool: ).
All in all, it seems to me that the interface is really important, especially if others (like my wife) can learn how to simply play a disc. I had the SB3 for one week a while back and something simple like the slow response of the controller (when the whole thing wasn't on holiday) was too frustrating. Who wants to work at finding and playing a disc?
Phil
Quote from: Phil on June 24, 2010, 08:10:22 PM
Thanks for the links, Ken.
This stuff is confusing. Stuff to rip the software, the database to organize it and maybe play it, other software to improve playback, etc.
Is there a site that summarizes some of these different approaches (type of PC/Apple, preferred operating system, external vs internal drives, ripping software, database and kinds of interfaces, etc.)?
Then there are the different approaches: Bryston's usb drive thingie (in development) that feeds a DAC, the Olive (which seems to be an all-in-one approach), the Sooloos ( :drool: ).
All in all, it seems to me that the interface is really important, especially if others (like my wife) can learn how to simply play a disc. I had the SB3 for one week a while back and something simple like the slow response of the controller (when the whole thing wasn't on holiday) was too frustrating. Who wants to work at finding and playing a disc?
Phil
Phil:
Yes, it is confusing and there are lots of choices. The most important question for yourself, do you want to take the plunge for the convenience of being able to quickly access any piece of your music and to have the ability to create playlists? Once I learned the convenience of streaming music with the Squeezebox I was hooked. Every move I have made since the initial Squeezebox has been to improve the sound quality from my system, to make it more analog sounding.
If you are trying to sort through the various streaming or computer audio choices I am not exactly certain where to send you. I think I would try Computer Audiophile here: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/ (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/)
You might want to PM Richidoo and John Cook of Black Sands about the Sonos System. I have no personal experience with Sonos but most owners seem to be very happy with the system.
Regardless of the system you will need to rip your music to an external hard drive. If there is a possibility you might use a Mac Computer select a hard drive that will accept a Fire Wire Connection as well as USB. Rip all of your music in .flac as it easily allows storage of album art with the music files. You can easily convert to a different format down the road if you need to do so. Regardless of the route you take you will need your music on a hard drive. Getting it ripped is a slow process but there is no short cut other than paying a service to do it for you.
Others will likely chime in about system choices. If you decide to go with a computer as a server as I recently did you have to first chose PC or Mac. I tried to decide what would be required with both computers and felt the Mac with the Tranquility DAC was an easier solution for me. It has worked out for me as I am very happy with the sound but many prefer using a PC and they may be the way you decide to go.
Good Luck
Ken
Computer audiophile is a nice site, but doesn't have a boiled down recipe that is the best, anymore than stereophile does for building "the best" system.
The drawbacks to Logitech products is the basic architecture of the system, that it runs on script based server software which runs slow and buggy, even 7 years later. It requires a separate computer to run the server software. After Logitech bought Slim Devices I have even less faith in the technology. Beware my fair measure of bias against Logitech after years of trying to work around their junk computer peripherals.
The Sonos, on the other hand is rock solid. It does not require an external computer somewhere to run the server software, it runs in each Sonos player. It is fast, and bug free. Scanning library takes about 5 minutes, instead of hours on Logitech. You must scan the database in order to make new rips appear in the controller list. Sonos support is vastly superior to Logitech. Problems actually get fixed within an hour, by an intelligent person empowered to help. When you factor in the cost of the computer that other solutions require Sonos is not more expensive. It can still play computer radio. It can accept analog input and transfer it to any other player on the system at 16/44.1 resolution. I like it!
The downside of Sonos is that it is limited to the vision of the Sonos marketers. It does not run on a powerful computer processor with open source environment, so I can't run any 3rd party plugins or effects as I can with Logitech server, like Inguz room correction / EQ. The quality of the Sonos electronics is reliable, but otherwise very consumerish. SMD, Wireless networking and SMPS all fit into a very small space. EMI is an issue in there. The analog outputs are not great, Logitech products are better analog outs, but they are still like a consumer CDP. The only thing of value is the digital output, which must be reclocked to remove jitter. Sonos makes more jitter than Logitech products. Most recent DACs can remove jitter to some degree or another. An old DAC will sound edgy from the high jitter. Empirical Audio puts a word clock input on a Sonos for their Pacecar product to eliminate clocking issues.
Running the player on a computer adds additional benefits. There are many media players available which allow more flexibility than Sonos or SB for choosing tunes to play, building playlists, and accessing the files. Some of them allow proaudio plugins or have their own built in effects. A major benefit to using computer media player is you have the option of buying a high quality, pro-audio sound card to output the digital stream with minimal jitter. Some of those pro audio sound cards have decent analog output too, but an audiophile DAC usually sounds better. A PC has enough power to run digital crossover and other extremely processor intensive filters on the file before streaming it out to multiple channels for active speaker system, at least as powerful as DEQX for less money. Room correction, EQ, Normalizing volume levels, no limit to the possibilities and plenty of power to run them all without a hint of slowing down.
You can remote control a PC/Mac from your couch with a laptop, or iPhone type device that can act as client to the media server or player on the PC. There's a lot to learn, but it's fun.
One of my main criteria for my system is that it be very easy for my family to use when I'm not available to help them. Sonos is good for that. It also allows me to control different music in different rooms from same controller, something the PC players can't do. SB and Sonos can be used as whole house music systems.
Besides the convenience of computer transport and internet radio, A perfect rip of the CD is also a benefit compared to playing it live. It removes error codes that the live laser method must rely on to not lose data. Scratched CDs overwhelm the error codes and you get drop outs and skips. Ripper software can eliminate a lot of that. EAC and dbpoweramp are two popular programs for perfect ripping. Neither play the music.
My 2 cents worth re: Squeezeboxen and Logitech....
When Logitech bought Slimdevices, I think most felt that it was downhill from there. That didn't happen - at least not right away and at least for awhile it seemed the whole product line got an injection of money and support, albeit some might say more toward commodity products. But... then things did go south for awhile. Developer and leadership turnover, major bugs and delays with both hardware and software and a quite frustrated user community.
But, I have to say that has turned around in the last few months. IMHO, the Touch is an excellent product at its price point and is a true step in the right direction for the product line. The vision of establishing an open software platform that could run on just about every box out there has proven its worth several times over (despite setbacks along the way). And the software continues to improve and incorporate tons of music sources. Is it perfect? Nope and certainly not meant for those that don't have a modicum of network & computer expertise. But I've recommended it to a lot of friends that seem quite pleased with it and it's working for me.
It will be interesting to see how this market sorts itself out over the next year.
Didn't mean to hijack the thread. I think I'll start a different thread on computer audio interfaces, since this is the first thing I'd like to understand better and an obvious point of frustration.
Ken,
thanks for the great tips (flac, firewire). This is the kind of stuff that is truly helpful. Great link. This review got me going: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Weiss-Engineering-DAC202-Review
I personally love the DAC plus preamp functionality. This one seems to have some truly beneficial features, like being able to match the preamp to the amp's input sensitivity.
The Sonos is interesting but I'm worried about the jittery output. Don't think that would work in my system.
I agree with Mike, it will probably take another year or so to see how this all develops.
Phil
Guys:
I received an e-mail yesterday asking me for comments about my Mac Mini/Tranquility DAC System. I responded as follows and felt it would be appropriate to post the comments here:
I have learned that in the audio hobby what sounds great to one person may not be very good to another. Prior to the Tranquilty/Mac Mini System I was using a ModWright Transporter with the Black Treasure 6SN7 and 5U4G Mesh Rectifer ($600.00 worth of tubes). I liked the Transporter but the sound of my current system is better.
If you love the sound from a good vinyl rig then I would not view the Mac Mini/Tranquility as a replacement. I think you would find the Tranquility System to satisfy you when you just want to hear music with the convenience of playing anything in your library without being too critical. I do not believe any digital rig can out perform a high quality vinyl rig but I am very satisfied. The convenience as well as close to excellent sound quality has won me over.
Jim Rebman and some other folks on AC have gone through a lot of gear and based on their comments they are quite pleased with the Tranquility. I would add that the Tranquility is not for the masses as it has a purist approach. You connect a power cable, a USB cable and you have no other options on the DAC. I personally like that approach but some prefer having options.
I know that people tend to talk highly about the gear they own and I have been no exception. However, with the ModWright Transporter I was always experimenting with different tubes, etc to improve the sound. With the Tranquility I now have no desire to do anything else. I would not have purchased the linear power supply but I was on the Bolder Demo Tour and after hearing it in my system I had to have it.
Sorry to be long winded! I recommend you give Eric Hider of DB Audio Labs a call.
Nice wrap up, Ken, thanks. Glad you are digging it so much.
DACs are one of the most exciting areas of audio evolution now. New DAC chips, new digital transport and streaming methods, new amplification, jitter reduction. No wonder we seem to compare the newest crop of digital sources at almost every G2G these days.
Guys:
Just as I was becoming totally settled into audio bliss Eric Hider of DB Audio Labs introduced an SE Version of the Tranquility DAC and is offering a great trade-up deal to existing Tranquility owners. The new SE Version has an improved power supply and some patent pending technology that is being reported to take the Tranquility DAC up another notch in performance. A Tranquility on Steroids! :rofl: I think the fact that the Tranquility DAC is USB only and is not a Hi-Rez DAC has limited its market appeal. The SE Version does not address other connection options nor does it do Hi-Rez but since I am using a Mac Mini and have little Hi-Rez the Tranquility fits my needs.
I called Eric yesterday (yep) to take advantage of the trade-up offer to learn he is already sold-out of his shipment of Tranquility SEs but stated he expects to be able to ship me a unit around the 18th-20th of the month. Eric said that his phone had been ringing off the hook since he announced the new SE and mostly to first time buyers.
The interesting thing for me is that I am very happy with my existing Tranquility but for the price of two high-end tubes I can upgrade so what the hey! I am certain reviews will start popping up soon but I will keep you guys posted on my experiences.
Ken
Great news Ken!!