Bought a pair of 8ft cords with Oyide IEC and plug . Copper plugs that is. The wire is a 10Ga. annealed stranded wire. Designed for audio applications back in the day.
To date these cords have replaced my reference cords. It took quite some time to settle in. At first they were bright and hard sounding. Now with 300 hours on them they mellowed but retained the super dynamics and clarity. No exaggerated sibilance great bass and a rich airy midrange.
I'm hearing good things about the 14Ga. as well for front end components. The price is right and fair. If interested contact Triode Pete who posts here. He makes them as a hobby. Pete is a PE who also works in the power industry. He knows his electricity and now powercords as well. Well worth the effort.
charles
These cords rock. Easily bested cords 3 - 4 x the price. Definitely an uber bargain!
M
And made by an awesome dude named Pete. Talk about friendly! And just plain great!
We did a shootout at my house with about 9 powercords.
They ranged from the Shunyata anaconda, to the Synergistiv Research Designers reference to my friends home made WE 10 gauge cable.
The WE costs about $70 to make with Furutech ends, but we have been getting excellent results with the cheap Oyaide clones from China for about $16 on ebay.
In my system the WE cable was by far the best. My friend does a certain type of weave and uses a cable from Home Depot as the ground, I have other WE cables that are not nearly as good as his. He hit upon a very good combo.
Don't buy any expensive WE cables on any website, make your own or have friends make it for you, it is extremely easy to do and the results are great. They sell spools of the WE cable on ebay, find the gauge you like and weave on!
Mike
Charles - I will bring along my "RFM" version of this WE powercord to your rave. It is still an effectove 10 gauge wire, but instead of 3 runs (+, -, ground) it uses 5 wires. A 14 and 12 for the +, a 14 and 12 for the -, and a ground. So it is doubling up 2 different gauge wires for each powered leg. This was my design (aka "RFM") that Pete manufactured for me to try out as an experiment.
Compared to the standard 10 gauge with only 3 wires I am hearing subtle but definite improvements in soundstaging and perhaps a small improvement in speed and dynamics.
Enjoy,
Bob
Has anyone tried the Virtual Dynamics method of larger return and grounds and smaller + sides?
Bryan
Quote from: bpape on July 19, 2010, 07:00:47 AM
Has anyone tried the Virtual Dynamics method of larger return and grounds and smaller + sides?
Bryan
Many times.....and I heard no difference nor could I measure any difference so I abandoned the idea.
Quote from: topround on July 18, 2010, 10:23:50 AM
We did a shootout at my house with about 9 powercords.
They ranged from the Shunyata anaconda, to the Synergistic Research Designers reference to my friends home made WE 10 gauge cable.
The WE costs about $70 to make with Furute ch ends, but we have been getting excellent results with the cheap Oyaide clones from China for about $16 on ebay.
In my system the WE cable was by far the best. My friend does a certain type of weave and uses a cable from Home Depot as the ground, I have other WE cables that are not nearly as good as his. He hit upon a very good combo.
Don't buy any expensive WE cables on any website, make your own or have friends make it for you, it is extremely easy to do and the results are great. They sell spools of the WE cable on ebay, find the gauge you like and weave on!
Mike
Cool. How does he weave the wire ? Which ground wire from Home Depot ? Thanks. Inquiring minds want to know.
charles
Can someone post pictures or images of the WE wire that you are raving about? A quick search of ebay turns up more than one type/color of WE power wire.
Thanks.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Western-Electric-KS-13385-L-1-12-AWG-Cloth-Wire-Black-/380212770817?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5886727801 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Western-Electric-KS-13385-L-1-12-AWG-Cloth-Wire-Black-/380212770817?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5886727801)
For 12 AWG applications. Remember, you will need 2 or 3 lengths of conductor per power cord. It adds up.
I utilize a different grounding wire & to me (as well as others), it sounds better...
Also, different WE wire types sound different as well. A very old (~1936) NOS version has a very forgiving warm sound (great for a harsh digital front end).
The ones described by Mike (topround) & others have a more lively, vivid sound.
And yeah, the Oyaide pure copper knock-offs, appear to be the "best" connector with best being a subjective term...
Triode Pete-
Thanks for the ebay link.
Which end of the sonic spectrum does the wire you linked lean toward? Warm and forgiving or more lively and vivid? Also, which wire are you using for the ground?
Quote from: DeeJayBump on July 27, 2010, 07:23:56 PM
Triode Pete-
Thanks for the ebay link.
Which end of the sonic spectrum does the wire you linked lean toward? Warm and forgiving or more lively and vivid? Also, which wire are you using for the ground?
In giving away most of my secrets, the cable I built for BobM (the RFM version) had a very old (~1936) NOS version (14 AWG) with a very forgiving warm sound
PLUS a 12 AWG NOS newer version (1960's) that has a more lively, vivid sound. The mixing of cable gauges & vintages provided BobM with a sound he really liked. I attribute this analogy similar to what Arthur Loesch has stated regarding tube rolling, capacitors & resistors... basically, that the mixing of brands of various high quality components yields a superior sound without noticeable colorations (ie - use different brands of caps, resistors & tubes in your designs to eliminate colorations & inaccuracies).
My ground is a 10 AWG, pure copper, Made in USA, 300V thermoplastic jacketed conductor...
Pete,
Do you use snake oil as the dielectric?
Only the best power cords use snake oil :rofl:
See you at charlies?
Mike
Thanks, Pete.
Quote from: topround on July 30, 2010, 02:42:17 PM
Pete,
Do you use snake oil as the dielectric?
Only the best power cords use snake oil :rofl:
See you at charlies?
Mike
Mike,
I'll try to be at Charlie's on Saturday but I also have a family friend's party to attend at 5 PM.
This Monday evening, I probably be having a few Raver's & Syndrome members over for a listen... you're always welcome...
Just out of curiosity, what type of wire weave does your friend use on the WE's? I use a Litz weave that my daughters make (they are masters (artists) on braiding)... all my profit margin goes to them ($5-10 per cord) Ha-Ha!... like "Field of Dreams", I make cords for the "love" of the hobby, not profit...
I also made / sold two cords to an "unnamed" Audio Reviewer who has an eclectic auditory reception / perception. I don't always agree with him but he has a myriad of followers... he really liked my 1936 version of the WE wires... helped to cure his "digititus" on his front end CD player as well as his high end amp...
Enjoy,
Pete
These cords were a great addition to any system we put together at the July Rave. In amps or CDPs a noticeable difference for the good.
charles
Looks like Mojo Audio, or fuzzbutt17, is now posting over at AC:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=89455.msg881246;topicseen#new (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=89455.msg881246;topicseen#new)
I've had both cords from Pete and Fuzzbutt in my system, and IMO Pete's cords were the winner.
I too picked up a NOS cord from Triode Pete, and "its got the Mott's". Detail, quiet, even, a touch of warmth. I have this cord on my pre-amp, and am looking forward to checking out a set on my amps. Very nicely done. :thumb:
Being the impulsive type of newbie I also just purchased a complete set of 5 PC's from Pete and am looking forward to installing them on my sources, preamp, amp and Majik Buss. :D
While auditioning the Nightshade Beacon 2 Preamp I decided to try something different. Petes' cord made a real nice improvement compared to an ESP, Virtual Realiy and Omega Mikro. Bass is crazy good andthe top is detailed but not thin, oh my.
Pete what are using on the Loesch Preamp now ?
charles
Where does Pete sell his PCs? Any additional info is appreciated. :thumb:
Quote from: mdconnelly on January 13, 2011, 12:28:05 PM
Where does Pete sell his PCs? Any additional info is appreciated. :thumb:
I just sent a PM to TriodePete here on AN.
Quote from: rollo on January 13, 2011, 10:15:10 AM
Pete what are using on the Loesch Preamp now ?
charles
When they first came out, I bought two Pangea's from Audio Advisor, cut off the IEC's and hardwired (soldered) them to the Gen Rad tube regulated power supplies for the Loesch preamp. Can honestly say I did not hear any appreciable difference... one day will change over to my cords... on my other preamp (custom 171A tube) for the Tannoy system, I changed the plugs (on the Gen Rad regulated tube PS's) to the pure copper plugs with Rhodium plating; heard a difference right away; more air & detail on the dual concentrics!
Cheers,
Pete
As an experiment whilst using the Consonance cords [ upgraded 6ga. ] that came with my amps we tried the Triode cords in our Plasma and LCD TVs both LGs using Monster power conditioning and a richard Tice Enhancer with the Plasma. Never expected much to be honest. To our surprise the difference was staggering. my wife who usually thinks I'm nuts agreed the color and sharpness was improved. We had an ESP cord in the Plasma and one of my homemade babies[ triple shielded] in the LCD.
If you have not tried an audio cord in your TV try one and be prepared to buy.
charles
I'm not surprised that a cord makes a difference on a TV. I've found that putting a Felix power conditioner on my TV's made a huge improvement in the picture. This is one place where you can easily and immediately see what power conditioning can do for you.
Well worth the small expense of a Felix. Just make sure you use a coil that can cover the draw that a TV needs or you could get a buzz on the Felix.
Just installed a full set of TriodePete's cords - preamp, amp, CDP and DAC and the improvement was immediately apparent. The sound is now more detailed, open and the background is definitely blacker. I had thought the "veil being lifted" descriptions perhaps a bit hyperbolic before but now I get it...
Pete also provided a great buss cable to connect my Majik Buss to the mains where, on his advice, I had replaced the two outlets I use with Hubbell 5262's. The cords I replaced were VH Audio Flavor 2 & 4, a Pangea 10 and two Audio Magic Extreme's.
Recently installed the 5262 outlets myself. Nice improvement overall. Thanks Pete. Pete I see a need for umbilical cords between component and power supply. Made a huge difference with my CAT pre when Ken Stevens upgraded the cord in his later versions.
charles
Quote from: Alexdad54 on January 24, 2011, 06:40:30 AM
Just installed a full set of TriodePete's cords - preamp, amp, CDP and DAC and the improvement was immediately apparent. The sound is now more detailed, open and the background is definitely blacker. I had thought the "veil being lifted" descriptions perhaps a bit hyperbolic before but now I get it...
Pete also provided a great buss cable to connect my Majik Buss to the mains where, on his advice, I had replaced the two outlets I use with Hubbell 5262's. The cords I replaced were VH Audio Flavor 2 & 4, a Pangea 10 and two Audio Magic Extreme's.
Did you go with 12 AWG on all cords? Was the 'buss cable' for your Majik Buss the same? I've got an UberBuss...
Hi,
I went with two 12 gauge and two 10 gauge, the first two for the sources and the latter for the preamp and amp. The buss cord was Pete's idea and I'm not sure what gauge it actually is, it looks a bit different from the other four.
It definitely bests the VH Audio Flavor 4 I was using on the Majik Buss.
Pete knows his wire and power requirements. Besides being an Engineer he works for a Utility company. As we say on LI he has a "Noose" on the juice. A know in the flow, oh my ! :rofl:
charles
Just got a chance to try one of Pete's WE 12awg power cords. Quite amazing... On initial listen (Pete already burned it in), it presented a very relaxed, natural and highly musical presentation. It does not seem to be a cord where you 'suddenly' start hearing new details or are startled by transient response, deeper base, larger soundstage, or any of the other audio descriptors we tend to use. But it does seem to offer a greater sense of toe-tapping PRAT that makes it quite easy to just lose yourself in the music.
I've only had a chance to listen for a couple of hours or so and I've only got one (so far) that I've been using on my preamp, but I think Pete has something here. :thumb: Stay tuned....
That's a good point...the first time I got to hear a few of Pete's 'prototype' WE cords, the first thing that struck me was how musical they were. It wasn't so much about emphasis but more like an effortless quality of the musical spectrum that I found very intriguing.
I may be trying out some monoblocks soon, so I need to order a couple more of Pete's cords. Very nice results with my Atma-Sphere amp so far. :thumb:
Just a bit of followup on Pete's WE cords... I'm extremely pleased with Pete's 12awg WE cord. I've been using it continuously on my Oracle DAC/Pre and find it presents a very relaxed and musical sound that is just so engaging. Enough so that I've decided to followup with Pete to try a 10awg WE cord as well as one of his Buss cords (for use on my Uber Buss).
I understand Pete has also been working on an 8awg version of his WE cord. Anyone have a chance to try one yet compared to his 10 & 12awg PCs?
Normally, trying to compare wire drives me a bit nuts, but there is something about Pete's cords that just may prove to be permanent fixtures in my system (well, as permanent as anything ever is in this hobby).
Stay tuned...
Awesome Mike!! Now I gotta get over there soon!
First report from one of our club members is in on the new 8ga version . AWESOME. Well compared to VH Audio Flavor 4s anyways. Connected to CJ monos and Apogees. The VH audio are for sale today. Depth, bass and imaging were vastly improved. A dead background to boot. I'm in. Ordered mine today.
With all the changes that the Alan Maher CBFs brought I took out the 10 ga and just tried to determine what they were actually doing. I put back my previous cords for an apples to apples demo. An improvement all around. Last night put back Petes cords in the amps. I tell ya you don't know what your missing until its gone. Just could not really tell what was doing what until all settled in. I know NEVER two tweaks at once but but the Nervosa won out. :duh. The 10Ga will go to the Preamp. The 8ga to the amps.
charles
Charles - any comparison between the new 8awg and Pete's 10 & 12 awg WE cords? I've been using a 12awg on my preamp and have a 10awg and buss cable on order from Pete now. I will definitely want to go with an 8awg on my amp (DNA-500) but wrestling how to terminate the 20a IEC side since Pete can't get a 20a IEC equivalent of the terminations he's using.
Oyaide does make a couple variants of 20a IEC termination but they're very pricey. They don't (nor does any else it seems) make an all-copper termination.
Hey guys, I'm the "club member" with the first pair of Pete's 8g's on my monoblocks...(yes, I do feel priviledged). Here's the nitty gritty:
Can you say N-A-T-U-R-A-L?
Can you say M-U-S-I-C-A-L??
How about REAL???
Ok Ok, I'll just keep it simple..."WOW" is the right word.
Specifically?
*More depth....the wall behind my speakers just moved back
*Imaging locked in even more (and it was darn good before if you don't mind me saying so)
*Air/Space/Blackness... all are more......better......"just right"
The best way to describe it is to say that 'the passing by from another room' test just fakes you out into wondering a bit longer whether it's live or memorex.... A very high compliment indeed.
Pete told me there's about 100hrs on them so far and I've added about 10 more at this point...I can't say what another couple of hundred are going to do but my guess is they'll only be getting better.
For the record, my system is finicky, persnickety, and unforgiving...sort of like a spoiled prima-dona...(the notorious Apogee personality) but when it all gels, it's very engaging.
And my system LOVES these power cords.
Cables being replaced (which I have always liked and have served me well) are available and soon to be on A'gon. Next I'll be ordering more 8g's for my line conditioners and then we'll see what else.
Nice job Pete; these are keepers.
Quote from: Lissnr on February 14, 2011, 06:22:24 PM
Hey guys, I'm the "club member" with the first pair of Pete's 8g's on my monoblocks...(yes, I do feel privileged). Here's the nitty gritty:
Can you say N-A-T-U-R-A-L?
Can you say M-U-S-I-C-A-L??
How about REAL???
Ok Ok, I'll just keep it simple..."WOW" is the right word.
Specifically?
*More depth....the wall behind my speakers just moved back
*Imaging locked in even more (and it was darn good before if you don't mind me saying so)
*Air/Space/Blackness... all are more......better......"just right"
The best way to describe it is to say that 'the passing by from another room' test just fakes you out into wondering a bit longer whether it's live or memorex.... A very high compliment indeed.
Pete told me there's about 100hrs on them so far and I've added about 10 more at this point...I can't say what another couple of hundred are going to do but my guess is they'll only be getting better.
For the record, my system is finicky, persnickety, and unforgiving...sort of like a spoiled prima-dona...(the notorious Apogee personality) but when it all gels, it's very engaging.
And my system LOVES these power cords.
Cables being replaced (which I have always liked and have served me well) are available and soon to be on A'gon. Next I'll be ordering more 8g's for my line conditioners and then we'll see what else.
Nice job Pete; these are keepers.
Nice to see yopu here Lissnr. Mdconnely, no not yet. This weekend possibly.
charles
Mdconnelly-have you checked these out?
http://www.atl-newcablestudio.com/Connector01B.html
ATL is handled by Gary of 6Sons Audio up in Canada and he speaks very,very highly of the quality of their products. Gary is about as honest a straight shooter in this biz as I've met,he won't steer you wrong. :thumb:
BR-F20A is $32.00 and pure Brass,ETP-F20CU is $62.50 and pure Copper. Some of the descriptions/wordings are a little funky as English is not their first language.
Hope this helps. :thumb:
Wolfman, thanks for the info! :thumb: I've passed it along to Pete to get his take.
http://www.atl-newcablestudio.com/Connector01B.html
Interesting site and lots of choices. Like you said though, they could use a proof-reader for English.
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When they first came out, I bought two Pangea's from Audio Advisor, cut off the IEC's and hardwired (soldered) them to the Gen Rad tube regulated power supplies for the Loesch preamp. Can honestly say I did not hear any appreciable difference... one day will change over to my cords... on my other preamp (custom 171A tube) for the Tannoy system, I changed the plugs (on the Gen Rad regulated tube PS's) to the pure copper plugs with Rhodium plating; heard a difference right away; more air & detail on the dual concentrics!
Cheers,
Pete
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Pete,
How do I get a power cord from you and how much does it cost?
CT
CT, send him a PM and he'll get back to you. He's user 'Triode Pete' here.
And welcome to AN!
Picked up and 8ga cord from Pete last Friday night to put on my Classe' Twenty-five. I think Lissnr summed it up just right with simply saying WOW.
The whole system just sounds more relaxed and effortless. It's like the difference between an amateur musician who can play well but really has to work at it vs. a seasoned elite professional who just has the music kind of flow out of him.
If you take a look at the What are you listening to right now thread you'll see that last Sat night/Sun morning I was still up listening & posting @ 4AM - what does that tell you? (Outside of the fact that I'm nuts!)
In terms of a detailed rundown of what changed, I can't say I noticed anything in particular that the cable stood out as doing overly well but the total sound just had a big sense of "rightness" to it. (I always get nervous when any aspect of a component stands out as that much better than the other aspects as they usually get tiring over the long run.)
When I had the tour cable at my house I tried it on both my power amp and my CDP individually and got a nice improvement on both. Pete is in the process of making up a second cord for me. I can't wait t hear what they will sound like together. :drool:
Great job Pete. Lissnr is right, this ones a keeper. :thumb:
I've got to echo the same results... These cables just let the music flow effortlessly. And like your analogy to a musician, it may all be in the timing. PRAT rules!
I've now got a 12awg WE and 10awg WE from Pete as well as one of his Buss cables on my Uber Buss. By far, the biggest difference/improvement was putting either of the WE power cords on my DAC/Preamp. After that the results are additive albeit in a less striking manner (at least for me, YMMV). But... I still haven't tried one of Pete's WE cords on my McCormack amp because it needs a 20a IEC and Pete's regular connector supplier just doesn't have it in a 20a IEC version. But hey, I'm confident Pete will come up with something!
Getting one Friday night (hopefully)
Quote from: evan1 on March 02, 2011, 01:15:06 PM
Getting one Friday night (hopefully)
Evan - it is burning in as I type this. In addition to the High Current burn-in, I procured a "FryCorder" from Jim Hagerman from Hagerman Labs. It's a burn-in signal generator for power cords sweeping 10 Hz to 200 Hz. Tom Mazz's cord got the first treatment. Yours will get some too...
BobM & I are
Taking to Train to Brooklyn (sounds like a song?) on Friday afternoon. You'll get your cord on Friday as long as "the Lord is willing & the creek don't rise" :lmc: :pop
Cheers,
Pete
Triode Wire Labs
Quote from: Triode Pete on March 02, 2011, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: evan1 on March 02, 2011, 01:15:06 PM
Getting one Friday night (hopefully)
Evan - it is burning in as I type this. In addition to the High Current burn-in, I procured a "FryCorder" from Jim Hagerman from Hagerman Labs. It's a burn-in signal generator for power cords sweeping 10 Hz to 200 Hz. Tom Mazz's cord got the first treatment. Yours will get some too...
BobM & I are Taking to Train to Brooklyn (sounds like a song?) on Friday afternoon. You'll get your cord on Friday as long as "the Lord is willing & the creek don't rise" :lmc: :pop
Cheers,
Pete
Triode Wire Labs
:thumb:
Quote from: evan1 on March 02, 2011, 01:15:06 PM
Getting one Friday night (hopefully)
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Quote from: Triode Pete on March 02, 2011, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: evan1 on March 02, 2011, 01:15:06 PM
Getting one Friday night (hopefully)
Evan - it is burning in as I type this. In addition to the High Current burn-in, I procured a "FryCorder" from Jim Hagerman from Hagerman Labs. It's a burn-in signal generator for power cords sweeping 10 Hz to 200 Hz. Tom Mazz's cord got the first treatment. Yours will get some too...
BobM & I are Taking to Train to Brooklyn (sounds like a song?) on Friday afternoon. You'll get your cord on Friday as long as "the Lord is willing & the creek don't rise" :lmc: :pop
Cheers,
Pete
Triode Wire Labs
Pete,
I have put some serious hours on the cord since I got it and I haven't noticed much of a break in improvement as of yet. Not that this is a bad thing since it sounded great from the second I put it in. I think this means that the combination of your break-in plus the Hagerman treatment is really doing a good job.
Tom
WOW Pete....you even have a business name...Triode Wire Labs..... 8)
First time poster here at AN but all the positive chatter I've read here about these NOS WE cables convinced me to try one too. I've got a Majik Buss ordered from PI Audio and I just sent my payment off for an 8 awg from Pete to feed it. Looking forward to it like a kid at Christmas! :-P
Welcome to our little camp sdmark.
My 8 ga arrived today (thanks Pete!). I'll probably get around to hooking it up tonite but will give a listen tomorrow.
-Mike
Quote from: mfsoa on March 03, 2011, 05:52:37 PM
My 8 ga arrived today (thanks Pete!). I'll probably get around to hooking it up tonite but will give a listen tomorrow.
-Mike
May the current be with you. You be assimilated. :lol:
charles
I got an 8g and 10g power cable from Pete last night and waiting for the sun to rise to give them a whirl. Thanks Pete :thumb:
I only have an hour or so of listening on my Triode Wire Labs' 8 ga. To set the stage, I am using it for my Digital Amp Co Cherry Plus, a very high power Class D amp w/ massive linear transformer. (I think that's the term) to drive original Von Schweickert VR4 JRs. Previously I was using either a Pangea AC-9 or a Black Sands Silver Ref MK V. No power conditioning at all, straight to wall.
I tended to keep putting the Pangea back in vs. the Black Sand as the bass with the Pangea seemed just that much deeper and tighter. And while I feel the Cherry is a fine amp across the spectrum, its bass and midbass performance (depth and articulation) is where it really shines.
So I put in the TWL (am I the first to use "TWL"?) cord and - no disappointment in the bass dept at all. Still verrrry deep with great definition.
Through the midrange there seems to be (relative to Pangea) a greater emphasis on the non-notes. What I mean is that harmonics, decay, ambience, small background details are more prominent relative to the "main event" - As though the Pangea got the big stuff right but not so much the little stuff like the TWL does. I like it - it is a more nuanced presentation.
I don't want to imply that the highs are not extended - they are - but this is not a WOW LOOK AT ME MOM powercord - something that the super-clean Cherry appreciates.
So far, so good.
Service and communication were excellent. Thanks Pete.
-Mike
Quote from: mfsoa on March 05, 2011, 05:50:41 AM
I only have an hour or so of listening on my Triode Wire Labs' 8 ga. To set the stage, I am using it for my Digital Amp Co Cherry Plus, a very high power Class D amp w/ massive linear transformer. (I think that's the term) to drive original Von Schweickert VR4 JRs. Previously I was using either a Pangea AC-9 or a Black Sands Silver Ref MK V. No power conditioning at all, straight to wall.
I tended to keep putting the Pangea back in vs. the Black Sand as the bass with the Pangea seemed just that much deeper and tighter. And while I feel the Cherry is a fine amp across the spectrum, its bass and midbass performance (depth and articulation) is where it really shines.
So I put in the TWL (am I the first to use "TWL"?) cord and - no disappointment in the bass dept at all. Still verrrry deep with great definition.
Through the midrange there seems to be (relative to Pangea) a greater emphasis on the non-notes. What I mean is that harmonics, decay, ambience, small background details are more prominent relative to the "main event" - As though the Pangea got the big stuff right but not so much the little stuff like the TWL does. I like it - it is a more nuanced presentation.
I don't want to imply that the highs are not extended - they are - but this is not a WOW LOOK AT ME MOM powercord - something that the super-clean Cherry appreciates.
So far, so good.
Service and communication were excellent. Thanks Pete.
-Mike
Mike exactly what I'm experiencing. Have been listening for about a 1/2 hr. Joe just stopped by and thought the same thing.
Quote from: lonewolfny42 on March 02, 2011, 07:00:29 PM
WOW Pete....you even have a business name...Triode Wire Labs..... 8)
Yep, with Federal ID tax number now as well as this terrific website...
www.TriodeWireLabs.com (http://www.triodewirelabs.com)
Thanks to all my audiophile friends & family for encouraging me to take my cables to another level!
And a
very special thank you to fellow audiophile and good friend Mike @ www.mentalpixel.com (http://www.mentalpixel.com) for his creativity! He is so good that I had to make him VP of Sales & Marketing!
Thanks again to everyone at AN!
Pete
Good Luck Pete :thumb:
Website looks great!
Mike
Nice work Pete....good luck !! :beer:
Very nice site, Pete! Very good info without the marketing hype. :thumb:
Well boys as I said the proof is in da pudding. I have used tried numerous cords in my system. My reference cord was the Omega Mikro active at over $1000. Not any more. For the curious, the cords were. Siltech, Synergestic Research, ESP, Legenburg, Top Gun, Cardas, Consonance, Virtual reality, Bolder and last but not least Shunyata.
Not only do Triodes cords get it right the price is KABOOM for the buck. BRILLIANT!!!!
PS. Best of luck with the new site.
charles
Charles, I'm surprised you hadn't compared the JPS offerings. That was the direction I was headed until I had a chance to try Pete's. While I still think JPS has exceptional power cords (and ICs and SCs!), I am extremely pleased with Pete's (and the extra money left in my wallet!)
The site is great Pete, just as it should be for the product. Good luck with it!
Another nice website Mike (machinehead). :thumb:
Pete,
Best of luck with your power cords.Regards,
TomM
Quote from: mdconnelly on March 06, 2011, 01:43:48 PM
Charles, I'm surprised you hadn't compared the JPS offerings. That was the direction I was headed until I had a chance to try Pete's. While I still think JPS has exceptional power cords (and ICs and SCs!), I am extremely pleased with Pete's (and the extra money left in my wallet!)
You hit the nail on the head. It was the price that kept me away. Maybe worth it but I'm so pleased with the Triode Labs offerings that I have no desire to find out.
If I decided to go JPS throughout than the Cardas rule would apply. Never spend more on cables than your amp costs. without powercords the JPS would cost me about $10,000. Add the powercords and fuggetaboutit. Well maybe. :rofl:
charles
Now being reccomendend by PI Audiogroup on A/C . Way to go Pete :thumb:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=92277.msg915915;topicseen#new
When I first auditioned Pete's cables I only had one of them so I put it separately on my power amp and my CDP (the only two component with IEC sockets). Each gave me a nice improvement so I ordered an 8ga for the amp and a 10 ga for the CDP. The 8 arrived last week and as noted above I was very impressed with it. Last night I picked up the 10 and I have to tell you the whole was definitely more than the sum of the parts. The system has never sounded more relaxed and natural. The music just effortlessly flows out of it like never before. :drool:
Way to go Pete. :thumb:
Now Nervosa is setting in (http://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/modules/smileys/packs/Yahoo!/nailbite.gif) and I think I am going to be morally obligated to send my preamp over to Scott to have him install an IEC socket so I can get rid of that captive ARC cord and install one of Pete's cords on the Pre as well.
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/kronik249/sharkxd8.gif)
BIG TIME. :beer: :D/ aa, Could not happen to a nicer guy. Bring on the masses.
charles
OK, I've now replaced every power cord in my system with Pete's cords and all I can say is WOW! Incredibly musical yet with a refinement across the board to die for. Despite Pete's breakin before shipping, it still took another week or so and it was the bass that took the longest to benefit. Now, it goes deep yet tight and tuneful. I knew my Aerial 10Ts were good at the bass, but I swear I'm hearing (and feeling!) things now that just weren't notable before.
I've got a mix of Pete's 8awg, 10awg and 12awg PCs as well as what he calls his Buss cord on my Uber BUSS. One of the last steps was adding was an 8awg on the DNA-500 and what a very nice step it was!
Pete, if you're listening - a big thank you and congrats to you!
+1 on Pete's cords. He let me in on another secret today that you can polish the male plug with a Dremmel or a fine sand paper and you will get even better results
then spray them with Caigs Pro gold (but that's a long known PC secret)
Hmmmm - just tried a WyWire PC on my phono pre, got a minor, but definate improvement. Wonder what one of Pete's would sound like. This Nervosa s*cks big donkey d*cks.
I start a new job Monday, maybe I'll have to treat myself to a 10 when I get my first check as a reward.
Quote from: mdconnelly on April 09, 2011, 12:16:48 PM
OK, I've now replaced every power cord in my system with Pete's cords and all I can say is WOW! Incredibly musical yet with a refinement across the board to die for. Despite Pete's breakin before shipping, it still took another week or so and it was the bass that took the longest to benefit. Now, it goes deep yet tight and tuneful. I knew my Aerial 10Ts were good at the bass, but I swear I'm hearing (and feeling!) things now that just weren't notable before.
I've got a mix of Pete's 8awg, 10awg and 12awg PCs as well as what he calls his Buss cord on my Uber BUSS. One of the last steps was adding was an 8awg on the DNA-500 and what a very nice step it was!
Pete, if you're listening - a big thank you and congrats to you!
Thanks Mike! & Evan!, etc... Enjoy! Just got my Black Cat Veloce in the mail today... plugging it in in a couple of minutes! Heard this digital cable is a good one! Thanks for the referral, Mike!
Evan - use very fine sand paper (1000 grit or higher). Make the copper look polished (not Polish like me...he-he)...
Peace & Happy Audios,
Pete :thumb:
Quote from: etcarroll on April 09, 2011, 05:15:56 PM
Hmmmm - just tried a WyWire PC on my phono pre, got a minor, but definate improvement. Wonder what one of Pete's would sound like. This Nervosa s*cks big donkey d*cks.
I start a new job Monday, maybe I'll have to treat myself to a 10 when I get my first check as a reward.
Hey, great news about the job. Congrats! :thumb:
Isn't this what Grover does ? Polish his copper ?
Alexdad54.
1000 grit :thumb:
Quote from: Triode Pete on April 09, 2011, 06:18:32 PM
Quote from: mdconnelly on April 09, 2011, 12:16:48 PM
OK, I've now replaced every power cord in my system with Pete's cords and all I can say is WOW! Incredibly musical yet with a refinement across the board to die for. Despite Pete's breakin before shipping, it still took another week or so and it was the bass that took the longest to benefit. Now, it goes deep yet tight and tuneful. I knew my Aerial 10Ts were good at the bass, but I swear I'm hearing (and feeling!) things now that just weren't notable before.
I've got a mix of Pete's 8awg, 10awg and 12awg PCs as well as what he calls his Buss cord on my Uber BUSS. One of the last steps was adding was an 8awg on the DNA-500 and what a very nice step it was!
Pete, if you're listening - a big thank you and congrats to you!
Thanks Mike! & Evan!, etc... Enjoy! Just got my Black Cat Veloce in the mail today... plugging it in in a couple of minutes! Heard this digital cable is a good one! Thanks for the referral, Mike!
Evan - use very fine sand paper (1000 grit or higher). Make the copper look polished (not Polish like me...he-he)...
Peace & Happy Audios,
Pete :thumb:
Quote from: evan1 on April 10, 2011, 04:40:23 PM
Alexdad54.
1000 grit :thumb:
Quote from: Triode Pete on April 09, 2011, 06:18:32 PM
Quote from: mdconnelly on April 09, 2011, 12:16:48 PM
OK, I've now replaced every power cord in my system with Pete's cords and all I can say is WOW! Incredibly musical yet with a refinement across the board to die for. Despite Pete's breakin before shipping, it still took another week or so and it was the bass that took the longest to benefit. Now, it goes deep yet tight and tuneful. I knew my Aerial 10Ts were good at the bass, but I swear I'm hearing (and feeling!) things now that just weren't notable before.
I've got a mix of Pete's 8awg, 10awg and 12awg PCs as well as what he calls his Buss cord on my Uber BUSS. One of the last steps was adding was an 8awg on the DNA-500 and what a very nice step it was!
Pete, if you're listening - a big thank you and congrats to you!
Thanks Mike! & Evan!, etc... Enjoy! Just got my Black Cat Veloce in the mail today... plugging it in in a couple of minutes! Heard this digital cable is a good one! Thanks for the referral, Mike!
Evan - use very fine sand paper (1000 grit or higher). Make the copper look polished (not Polish like me...he-he)...
Peace & Happy Audios,
Pete :thumb:
You can find sandpaper that fine at a place that sells autobody supplies or paint. Remember that sandpaper that fine is meant to be used wet so it doesn't clog.
Quote from: tmazz on April 10, 2011, 06:27:45 PM
Quote from: evan1 on April 10, 2011, 04:40:23 PM
Alexdad54.
1000 grit :thumb:
Quote from: Triode Pete on April 09, 2011, 06:18:32 PM
Quote from: mdconnelly on April 09, 2011, 12:16:48 PM
OK, I've now replaced every power cord in my system with Pete's cords and all I can say is WOW! Incredibly musical yet with a refinement across the board to die for. Despite Pete's breakin before shipping, it still took another week or so and it was the bass that took the longest to benefit. Now, it goes deep yet tight and tuneful. I knew my Aerial 10Ts were good at the bass, but I swear I'm hearing (and feeling!) things now that just weren't notable before.
I've got a mix of Pete's 8awg, 10awg and 12awg PCs as well as what he calls his Buss cord on my Uber BUSS. One of the last steps was adding was an 8awg on the DNA-500 and what a very nice step it was!
Pete, if you're listening - a big thank you and congrats to you!
Thanks Mike! & Evan!, etc... Enjoy! Just got my Black Cat Veloce in the mail today... plugging it in in a couple of minutes! Heard this digital cable is a good one! Thanks for the referral, Mike!
Evan - use very fine sand paper (1000 grit or higher). Make the copper look polished (not Polish like me...he-he)...
Peace & Happy Audios,
Pete :thumb:
You can find sandpaper that fine at a place that sells autobody supplies or paint. Remember that sandpaper that fine is meant to be used wet so it doesn't clog.
Thanks, I actually deleted my post right away after reading Pete's reply but you guys are just too fast! :D
Pete also made me an 8ga cord to try out on my McCormack DNA 500 amp. Large gauge for the large sucking power requirement of this amp. At first I noticed that Pete's cord provided a bit more top end and presence and perhaps a tad tighter bass as well. Maybe a little too much given the resolving power of my new Apogees and the transparent and fast tubes I am using on my preamp.
So I picked up a new pair of Matushida 7DJ8's for my preamp (these are direct drop in replacements for 6922/6DJ8's but don't have the high NOS price tag) that are supposed to be a bit warmer sounding than the ones I was using (Russian Rocket logo 6922's). This definitely proved to be the case after a bit of break in. Now Pete's cord had this amp singling beautifully and the old cord seemed to be too sweet and warm to my ears.
When switching back and forth (old tubes w/ old cord vs new tubes w/ new cord) I can honestly say that each combo sounded the same to my ears overall, but any intermingling of this combo resulted in a sound that was either too warm in one direction or too open and forward in the other. Bottom line, cords are for that last aspect of tuning and are likely to show different results for different systems and applications, IMO.
And both Pete's cord and my old cord are excellent in what they bring to the table - each in its own way. If you're still using stock cords you own it to yourself to check these out, and at the prices Pete is asking they are a steal.
The matushita tubes are what I use in the Cyber 211 to help the GE 211 tube to sing right. I would consider Jensen paper in oil ceramic cover output caps or an oil choke in the preamp power supply. A heck of a lot cheaper than NOS Mullards or the like. BTW are they the only tubes in the Preamp ?
Recently at Lesly's home we heard what those caps can do. All I can say is tone , tone and tone. With a V-cap cu in front the sound was wet and detailed a rare combo to get. Ya ain't done yet, he he he.
charles
The other tubes in the preamp are 12AU7's, and I believe I am using NOS Tung Sols there, or maybe Radiotechnique's (don't remember). I use VCap OIMP's and Sonicap Platinums for input and output coupling caps
BobM, my experience with my DNA-500 almost exactly. With Pete's 8awg, I'm finding the bass deep and well defined with a top-end clarity and extension that is ideal. I will admit that I had not tried any high-end (or at least high priced) cords on this amp, but I'm a very happy camper right now!
And don't forget, they are super flexible, as opposed to most high end power cords which tend to be stiff and heavy and difficult to bend and fit into tight spaces (Emil is holding one of Pete's cords in the pic below, while Evan has a high prices stiff python of a cable in his lap).
(http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3037.0;attach=1482;image)
Quote from: BobM on April 11, 2011, 09:09:20 AM
The other tubes in the preamp are 12AU7's, and I believe I am using NOS Tung Sols there, or maybe Radiotechnique's (don't remember). I use VCap OIMP's and Sonicap Platinums for input and output coupling caps
The Jensens and the Tung Sols have a wonderfull synery. The sonicaps can be a bit too much with the V-cap in front. Some added weight and body can never hurt.
Anyways you are on the right track and with your skill we expect nothing less than perfection. BTW you are not to far off.
You need more Triode Labs cords. Hmmm mullard 12AU 7s , call your banker. Or parts Express for caps.
charles
Pete
Thanks for nicest birthday present anyone has given me lately. I usually get slippers, ties, that sort of stuff. :?
Wanted to try the 8 gauge on my integrated amp but the length was too short. So until I had the time to move the rack, I replaced my MAC HC cord on my subwoofer with Pete's. Nice!. Bass tighter and more well defined.
Removed the cord and placed it now on my repositioned integrated.Vocals were more fleshed out and just a more overall sense of clarity. Pete's cord replaced a Shunyata Venom.
If you haven't replaced the cord on your sub, try one now.
Now I have to buy a TWL cord for the sub or wait till my 51st birthday for another gift from Pete :lol:
Quote from: rollo on April 11, 2011, 10:34:17 AM
Quote from: BobM on April 11, 2011, 09:09:20 AM
The other tubes in the preamp are 12AU7's, and I believe I am using NOS Tung Sols there, or maybe Radiotechnique's (don't remember). I use VCap OIMP's and Sonicap Platinums for input and output coupling caps
The Jensens and the Tung Sols have a wonderfull synery. The sonicaps can be a bit too much with the V-cap in front. Some added weight and body can never hurt.
Anyways you are on the right track and with your skill we expect nothing less than perfection. BTW you are not to far off.
You need more Triode Labs cords. Hmmm mullard 12AU 7s , call your banker. Or parts Express for caps.
charles
The Sonicap is not a teflon - it is the OIMP's (oil impregnated) to bring that extra warmth.
Quote from: Emil on April 11, 2011, 10:59:48 AM
Pete
Thanks for nicest birthday present anyone has given me lately. I usually get slippers, ties, that sort of stuff. :?
Emil,
You're welcome! You only turn 50 once & that's a milestone to remember! :beer: Enjoy the cord!
Cheers,
Pete
The male plug tangs could be polished with fine ScotchBrite as well. If you're talking about using a Dremmel, are you guys saying "polish" as in buffing the metal to a reflective shine?
Then I guess I have to throw out the question, what about the EIC end?
Quote from: TooManyToys on April 13, 2011, 05:21:33 PM
The male plug tangs could be polished with fine ScotchBrite as well. If you're talking about using a Dremmel, are you guys saying "polish" as in buffing the metal to a reflective shine?
Then I guess I have to throw out the question, what about the EIC end?
I would be really careful about trying to polish the female IEC end of the PC. I'm not sure what kind of tool you could use to do the polishing. My fear is that whatever you put in to polish with could strech out and loosen the grip that the female IEC has on the male (chasis) receptacle resulting in a poorer connecton on the equipment end of the cord. The male end of the IEC would not be too easy to clean and/or polish either since the blades are recessed withing the housing.
Quote from: Triode Pete on January 13, 2011, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: rollo on January 13, 2011, 10:15:10 AM
Pete what are using on the Loesch Preamp now ?
charles
When they first came out, I bought two Pangea's from Audio Advisor, cut off the IEC's and hardwired (soldered) them to the Gen Rad tube regulated power supplies for the Loesch preamp. Can honestly say I did not hear any appreciable difference... one day will change over to my cords... on my other preamp (custom 171A tube) for the Tannoy system, I changed the plugs (on the Gen Rad regulated tube PS's) to the pure copper plugs with Rhodium plating; heard a difference right away; more air & detail on the dual concentrics!
Cheers,
Pete
Finally, based on the recommendation of Sir Charles Rollo, I finally had a bit of spare time (yeah, Holy Saturday) and changed out my hard wired Pangea's PC's to my TWL recipe on my General Radio 1201A tube regulated power supplies for my Loesch & Wiesner preamp.
Sir Charles --- you were absolutely right!!! Wow, you never know! Vinyl never sound better! Got Shelby Lynne's "Just a Little Lovin" spinning right now (Thank tmazz for the recommendation) & I'm there!!!
Happy Easter / Passover to all,
Pete
The best thing about Pangea wires are the models advertising them. :drool:
We all love and desire a bargain, especially in the silly, overpriced audio market we tread in so deeply, but to be honest the Pangeas just plain suck.
Really..........
Honestly...............
and they cost so little it costs us nothing to be honest.
Slick marketing.....we fall for it everytime!
Mike
Thought the Pangeas were at least worth a try especially with Music Directs 30 day return policy. Not the Cats meow though as most have found.
Pete thank goodness :-P your cord was better. :roll: Never had a doubt. :thumb:
charles
That depends on how you define sucks (Oh boy, now I am starting to sound like Bill Clinton :yay2: :rofl: :yay2:)
Seriously, the Pangea is what it is. And what it is is a $50 cord. Is it the best thing on the matrket, of course not, but it also cost less than the sales tax on some of the better cords. And I can say from personal experience that it was a significant upgrade frome a generic IEC cord. That doesn't mean that you can't do better, of course you can, but it will also most like cost you several times more money. While that additonal investment may very well be worth it to some people (myself included as I moved on from the Pangea), but for others the cost/benefit tradeoff on a more expeensive cable may simply not be worth it for them personally or simply given the resolving power of the system they own. So basically, a place for everything and everything in its place.
BTW Mike, in no way am I challenging your assesment that the cord sucked in whatever system you listened to it in. Power cords and conditioners are among the most synergy dependent items of anything in the high end realm. I have heard the exact same cord sound wonderful in one system and horrible in another.
If all else fails the TV is a candidate which works very well.
charles
Picked up a pair of 8 ga Triode Labs powercords for the amps. The 10Ga was good but I hardwired them into the preamp. Now both Pre and Amp are triode powered. Well, well, well, dead quiet background, open soundstage, great tone and decay of notes. My powercord search is over, :D/ :dj: :D/ :clap: . Never thought that day would come. One down 99 to go :rofl:
charles
Quote from: rollo on May 15, 2011, 06:59:43 AM
Picked up a pair of 8 ga Triode Labs powercords for the amps. The 10Ga was good but I hardwired them into the preamp. Now both Pre and Amp are triode powered. Well, well, well, dead quiet background, open soundstage, great tone and decay of notes. My powercord search is over, :D/ :dj: :D/ :clap: . Never thought that day would come. One down 99 to go :rofl:
charles
Pure music delivery :thumb:
Quote from: evan1 on May 15, 2011, 08:04:45 AM
Quote from: rollo on May 15, 2011, 06:59:43 AM
Picked up a pair of 8 ga Triode Labs powercords for the amps. The 10Ga was good but I hardwired them into the preamp. Now both Pre and Amp are triode powered. Well, well, well, dead quiet background, open soundstage, great tone and decay of notes. My powercord search is over, :D/ :dj: :D/ :clap: . Never thought that day would come. One down 99 to go :rofl:
charles
Pure music delivery :thumb:
I like that! Pete you can use the slogan :rofl:
Now we need a power strip hint, hint. "Pure Music Powerstrip" by Triode Wire Labs oh my!!! :drool: Lets hope and pray.
charles
A combo made in Heaven. PI audio Rev. "B" and Triode Labs 8 ga cord [ 3 ft.] is the ticket.
charles
OK all Tiode wire Labs in the system. A 14ga for the CDP, 10ga for the dedicated preamp power supplies and 8ga for the amps.
I offer a disclaimer as we at Swap meet Audio offer home demos for Triode Wire Labs and PI Audio products.
charles
Charles,
Are you talking about the Majik BUSS, the SuBUSS, the Über BUSS, or--er...the MuthaBuss? I'm a little confused there.
I'm not a big fan of line conditioners in general, but I'm not close-minded either.
At any rate I wouldn't hesitate to recommend TWL PCs to anyone, and Pete is a great guy to boot.
Quote from: Regg on July 10, 2011, 07:36:33 AM
Charles,
Are you talking about the Majik BUSS, the SuBUSS, the Über BUSS, or--er...the MuthaBuss? I'm a little confused there.
I'm not a big fan of line conditioners in general, but I'm not close-minded either.
At any rate I wouldn't hesitate to recommend TWL PCs to anyone, and Pete is a great guy to boot.
Regg,
It is a REV "B" RB29 the Uber is on its way. I too like you have had bad experiences with power conditioners until now. This is a very affective product no BS, hype,etc just more of what you had before.
charles
Pete-
Any plans to also make/offer speaker cable or interconnects with any of the other NOS Western Electric wire?
Thanks
-Scott
Quote from: DeeJayBump on July 28, 2011, 12:14:03 PM
Pete-
Any plans to also make/offer speaker cable or interconnects with any of the other NOS Western Electric wire?
Thanks
-Scott
Scott,
Been experimenting a bit with IC' s & other cables, but to quote U2, "I haven't found what I'm looking for"... YET!
Also, been swamped lately with other stuff...
A side note - I had the opportunity to place a PI Audio Group Rev. B buss in my main system; didn't know what to expect...Well... the results blew away my expectations; blacker background, more musicality & PRAT... also, I appear to have a bit more gain with my low powered 2A3 SET amps without losing any dynamics whatsover (my pet peave with all the power conditioners I have tried!!!)... I don't know if it's the Power Factor Correction or the very clever noise (EMI/RFI) reduction circuitry inside the REV B buss...
I had about 10 audiophile friends over this past Saturday, helping to confirm my buss revelation.
I was so impressed with the Rev. B that I just ordered an Uber Buss from Dave Elledge @ PI Audio...
Just thought I'd share a little bit,
Pete
Thanks for the reply, Pete.
Good to know that ICs and SCs might be on the horizon if you find the sound you're looking for.