After a couple rough days they are coming into their own!
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How many glasses of wine did you have ? I only see 1 empty glass
Try those Model 2's with a bra.... :rofl:
(http://www.thehornshoppe.com/optionalgrills.jpg)
http://www.thehornshoppe.com/model2.html
Quote from: lonewolfny42 on August 13, 2011, 07:06:36 AM
Try those Model 2's with a bra.... :rofl:
(http://www.thehornshoppe.com/optionalgrills.jpg)
http://www.thehornshoppe.com/model2.html
Keeps the horns from ringing
Chris is this your girlfriend ?
Holy comb filtering, Batman.
Hard to imagine the sound not being all phasey and weird, especially if you move your head a few inches.
But I've never heard a full range driver speaker before so maybe the "magic" is there but I just don't know it?
Good luck, Mike!
-Mike
I've only heard the single version of that speaker, and it was a really good design... Price:Performance ratio was very good! I don't see how the double-barrel approach would work either.. but if it does, it does. Would love to hear some more from you after break in about these.
-C
I think most of us have passed the performance of these in their systems on certainterms.
They have no real bass to speak of. Of course I have not played with different amps yet and positioning has to be optimized, but they have a great midrange and the highs are suprisingly good. Suprisingly I say, because I had the Cain and Cain Abbeys with the same drivers and they had no high end and nil air.
These outperform the Abbeys by a large degree.
People say I got thru a lot of gear, and I would have to say YES!, but most of it is not mine and usually on loan. I enjoy experiencing different sounds, they all have their pluses and minuses.
Single drivers do have an allure, no crossover is a big plus, plus high efficiency lets you use low power amps built for beauty rather than brute force.
Crossovers get in the way, no way out of it unfortunatley, you can hear them when you hear a single driver system, unfortunatley a single driver can't do it all either!
So pick your poison.
Some music sounds glorious on these speakers ..rock and roll well you can imagine it not working out too well.
And Mike the two drivers are not phasey at all..I listen in nearfield and the focused soundstage is pretty wide so no head in a vice here
all in all ...fun...not the answer for me...but not bad, from what I understand alot can be done to the drivers to help them perfom better, these drivers are stock and still burning in.
Mike
I preferred the Horn's to the Abbey's also... more versatile, bigger sweetspot.
Mike,
My single driver speaker (with DEQ as the builder recommends and EnABL modifications by Bud Purvine himself) get very close to "full" range (the driver alone is rated 30 - 20,000 Hz, 90 dB/w/m, 8 ohms):
http://brinesacoustics.com/Pages/FTA-2000/Main.html
C'mon, Mike! Those aren't man-like horns!!! You need some big honkin' horns!!! You cannot defy the laws of physics, dude!
Man-up, I say!
Here are some REAL horns for you! ... http://theaudiobeat.com/highend2011/highend2011_horns_aplenty.htm (http://theaudiobeat.com/highend2011/highend2011_horns_aplenty.htm)
Quote from: Triode Pete on August 16, 2011, 02:42:17 PM
C'mon, Mike! Those aren't man-like horns!!! You need some big honkin' horns!!! You cannot defy the laws of physics, dude!
Man-up, I say!
Here are some REAL horns for you! ... http://theaudiobeat.com/highend2011/highend2011_horns_aplenty.htm (http://theaudiobeat.com/highend2011/highend2011_horns_aplenty.htm)
Spoken like a truely horny audiophile. :rofl:
And what's up the the turntable pictured in that Audiobeat article? I've seen TTs with two arms before but never one that played both arms at the same time. :-k
(http://theaudiobeat.com/highend2011/jason_pics/feickert_schroder_kuzma.jpg)
Agreed, they ain't real horns :rofl:
Single drivers will never be for me, especially these Fostex drivers, very papery sounding and a bit shouty and colored. But if you can get past that they ain't so bad. They almost pull it off, I am sure better designs come a bit closer to what I like, but then again no crossover is very appealing and being able to use beautiful sounding SET amps makes these high efficiency designs something to look at.
Having been in the company of real horns Pete is right you need big ass horns to do the trick, and when it is right there is no better!!!
Mike,
The F200A in my speakers are not your typical shouty/thin sounding Fostex drivers. Huge AlNiCo magnets provide rich tone with detail.
For horns to go this low (20's Hz range) they have to be the size of a garage and weigh tons in order to be properly braced. That would make them much more efficient, but would introduce huge phasing issues trying to integrate with midrange/tweeter drivers.
JLM<
Please take no offense, I am sure your Fostex drivers are way better than the ones being used in the application I have at home. I also has Cain and CAin Abbeys and they were terrible, so maybe those drivers are just not to my liking.
I never heard Brines speakers, I like the idea of a larger driver and Alnico always is the way to go, unless you go field coil! The sound of no crossover defintly appeals to me, as well as low power, so I am definetly open to a design like this that can work for me.
I tried to like the Abbeys, they were so positively reviewed over at 6 moons(which I now hold with some suspicion) but they were terrible.
The Hornshoppe horns have such a huge fanboy base that I just had to try them, I am always suspicious of fanboys!
Mike,
No problem. There is no perfect speaker. And we all have our own tastes.
BTW Bob Brines (like me) is a fan of the Baroque, so keep that in mind. He uses a variety of transmission line designs (which I'm a fan of) based on the work of Martin King. Throw in the "mighty" Fostex F200A driver and you can see why I commissioned Bob to build the first FTA-2000s.
I've heard the Abbeys once at a Fest (with the whizzerless drivers) and thought they sounded good for chamber music or small jazz.
I've heard The Horns several times and only once sounded decent to me. To me they sounded thin (exagerated midrange) with as you say no real bass (typical of Fostex extended range drivers).
Compared to either of those, my speakers are bass monsters :shock: with more warmth and detail.
I'd be curious to know how many fanboys actually own the gear they are fans of?
I'm usually only a fan of what I can own (not the silly expensive or huge monsters). I admire a few pieces that are beyond my means/taste, and don't get out all that much to hear other stuff (blissfully ignorant), but frankly haven't heard much that I'd swap for.
And when the time comes to replace my babies (commissioned speakers) I'll down grade in expectation of retirement (losing some hearing, eventually having more of the house to myself, and someday not being able to climb in and out of the basement audio mancave - or moving into smaller/less private digs).