I apologize if this topic has been covered before (this is my first thread posted in DAD about this) but I have absolutely no experience with headphones/headphone amps/DAC's etc... My current pre-amp in my home stereo system does NOT have a headphone jack. I just bought a pair of Sennheiser HD 598's and would like recommendations for a compatible headphone amp to go with them. I'd also like to know if I could just buy an outboard DAC with a volume control and run my CD player directly through that to drive these phones without a headphone amp at all!?!?
The specs on the HD 598's are as follows:
Technical Data
Frequency response (headphones) 12-38,500 Hz
Wearing style Around-the-ear
Impedance 50 ohms
Connector 1/4 inch (6.3mm)
Cable length 10 ft, detachable (single sided)
Transducer principle Open-Aire
Total harmonic distortion <0.1%
Weight (w/o cable) 9.52 ounces (225 g)
Total SPL 112 dB
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UPC code 615104187733
EAN code 4044155056082
Dimensions (single) 8.07 x 3.94 x 9.45 in
Weight (single) 1.42 lbs
Dimensions (master carton) 16.81 x 13.66 x 10.51 in
So far, the D1 from Maverick Audio looks like a worthwhile route to take. It seems to have a lot of versatility and it fits my budget.
http://www.mav-audio.com/base/product/tube_magic_d1
My budget is $300.00 max, but would like to keep it less than that. Thanks in advance for any/all suggestions.
I would suggest going over and hanging out at www.head-fi.org (http://www.head-fi.org) and see what the "experts" recommend for your headphones.
Check out the trading forum too. There's usually lots of incredible stuff for sale over there.
Good luck.
Hi
For those Sennheiser headphones the Maverick Audio D1 is a good combo to me. I have a similar headphone amp. The Grant Fidelity DAC-09 is the one I've got and it has an upgraded WE tube. It drives the Sennheiser HD 580s and AKG K701s I have with great ease and to me the sound is very pleasing.
If you can get the Schiit Audio Valhalla headphone amp for $300 that is a good amp to pair with Sennheiser or AKG headphones IMO. That amp though does run hot. After a couple of hours of listening even the volume control was really warm.
Quote from: sleepyguy24 on August 15, 2012, 09:25:42 AM
Hi
For those Sennheiser headphones the Maverick Audio D1 is a good combo to me. I have a similar headphone amp. The Grant Fidelity DAC-09 is the one I've got and it has an upgraded WE tube. It drives the Sennheiser HD 580s and AKG K701s I have with great ease and to me the sound is very pleasing.
If you can get the Schiit Audio Valhalla headphone amp for $300 that is a good amp to pair with Sennheiser or AKG headphones IMO. That amp though does run hot. After a couple of hours of listening even the volume control was really warm.
Believe it or not, I asked Customer Service at Schiit about the Valhalla and they said it's NOT a good match to my 598's.:shock: FWIW - they said the Asgard would be better. Who woulda thunk it!?! :roll:
This may be an ignorant question but... do you really need an amp? Those Sens are pretty low impedance...
What are your goals? SQ? Portability? USB?
The Fiio e10 is not a bad amp/dac combo that's very reasonably priced.
Dave
Quote from: djdube525 on August 15, 2012, 12:48:05 PM
This may be an ignorant question but... do you really need an amp? Those Sens are pretty low impedance...
What are your goals? SQ? Portability? USB?
The Fiio e10 is not a bad amp/dac combo that's very reasonably priced.
Dave
Dave
Not a bad question at all. As I am gathering information, I am realizing that the last part of my original post re: just using a DAC w/a volume control (instead of needing a headphone amp) is a very feasible alternative.
In answer to what you asked me as far as my goals here... my system has NO headphone jack at all :shock: so I need a way to do so. Even though I wasn't sure if I could do it at the beginning of this thread, I think going the DAC w/a volume control route makes the most sense because like you said, my 598's really don't need much to drive them. A headphone DAC will give me better sound quality, a separate volume control for my private listening and most of all a place to connect my headphones in the first place! :duh
BTW - Portability isn't a need for me.
That's why the Maverick D1 seemed to be such a good choice. It's giving me more than I need right now in capabilities (I only plan on running my CD player and/or my TT through it) and yet it will allow me to expand to USB input when (if?) I choose to go that direction in the future. It's regarded very highly in a lot of reviews, the price @ $200.00 is hard to beat
and it's a headphone amp too!!! :thumb:
I just wanted some alternate ideas from the forum crowd before I bought anything.
SN
I've been wrestling with the same question. I've got Senn HD-600s but have rarely listened because the only amp I have is an old Headroom Supreme and, well, it just doesn't sound all that good.
The Schiit Asgard seems appealing from price and performance and I would like to hear it, but the extreme heat is a concern.
A stopgap approach that I just got is a small portable headphone amp that has received a good bit of praise on Head-Fi.Org. It's called a PA2V2 built by Gary at electric-avenues.com. He also sells on ebay.com. Price is right ($70 from Gary directly or possibly less via ebay auction).
It is an amazing little headphone amp that is perfect for portable applications. It runs on rechargeable batteries that last for days, yet is easily recharged via a USB cable (provided). I've only had it for a couple days now but I'm quite impressed with it. Does it compete in the big rig - hmmm, haven't really gone there yet but I'll bet not -- but it is a good bit better than my old Headroom Supreme and I love how portable it is. Nice!
Grrrr!!! :evil:
Just to be sure, I e-mailed customer service at Maverick Audio regarding the D1 headphone amp/pre/DAC to be sure it can do what I want it to do. (My specific question was whether the headphone amp output ran through the tube in the unit.)
Maverick Audio Response:
"The headphone output on the D1 is solid state only, there is just not enough
room for putting a tube driven headphone amp section. The tube only powers the
tube pre-out."
Now what...??? :duh
Sounds like a tube output for the headphone is a must... on a dac at that price range may be hard to find within a headphone amp at that price range.
Curious to hear if you find something. If you'd consider just a tube amp, I'd take a peak at Little Dot. Many reviewers stating the Little Dot I+ having good synergy with low impedance headphones.
They have a number of other "higher" priced tube models as well.
Little Dot I+ (http://www.littledot.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=819&sid=5de0767bfac157985e02474b43d6c2e1)
I use a Peter Millet Mini Max with my HD 600's. You can probably find one used on Head-Fi for under $500. There's lots of good stuff for sale there at all sorts of prices.
http://www.head-fi.org/f/6551/amplification-for-sale-trade/-filter-/RmlsdGVyJTVCdHlwZSU1RCU1QjElNUQvMS9GaWx0ZXIlNUJzdGF0ZSU1RCU1Qk9wZW4lNUQvMS9GaWx0ZXIlNUJvcmRlcl9ieSU1RC9DbGFzc2lmaWVkLmJ1bXBfYXQvcGFnZS8w (http://www.head-fi.org/f/6551/amplification-for-sale-trade/-filter-/RmlsdGVyJTVCdHlwZSU1RCU1QjElNUQvMS9GaWx0ZXIlNUJzdGF0ZSU1RCU1Qk9wZW4lNUQvMS9GaWx0ZXIlNUJvcmRlcl9ieSU1RC9DbGFzc2lmaWVkLmJ1bXBfYXQvcGFnZS8w)
Here's a few other recommendations from Head-Fi threads.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/592054/amp-for-sennheiser-hd-598 (http://www.head-fi.org/t/592054/amp-for-sennheiser-hd-598)
http://www.head-fi.org/t/543752/sennheiser-hd598-amp (http://www.head-fi.org/t/543752/sennheiser-hd598-amp)
http://www.head-fi.org/t/530040/preferred-amp-for-sennheiser-hd-598 (http://www.head-fi.org/t/530040/preferred-amp-for-sennheiser-hd-598)
http://www.head-fi.org/t/593146/best-amp-for-sennheiser-hd-598s (http://www.head-fi.org/t/593146/best-amp-for-sennheiser-hd-598s)
http://www.head-fi.org/t/585008/best-amp-for-sennheiser-hd-598-up-to-200 (http://www.head-fi.org/t/585008/best-amp-for-sennheiser-hd-598-up-to-200)
WOW! Thanks, Bob! :thumb:
I think all of the ones in those threads are solid state... if that's acceptable, then you have lots of options. However, I thought that's why you discounted the Maverick.
Hi Bill,
If you want to try my Channel islands VHP2 and VAC1, I'll let you listen to them.
If you like them, it would be in your price range. If not just ship them back, no problem.
Joe
Quote from: djdube525 on August 16, 2012, 09:10:29 AM
I think all of the ones in those threads are solid state... if that's acceptable, then you have lots of options. However, I thought that's why you discounted the Maverick.
I haven't explored any of Bob's recommendations yet. And yes, you're right - that is why I discounted the Maverick. Maybe having a tube in the headphone circuit output isn't as important to good sound as I think...??? :?
Bill - just jump on this one. Within your budget and it is an awesome little tubed head amp for Sennheisers. The tubes even have LED's under them so they glow Blue - oooooh.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/597257/millett-hybrid-minimax (http://www.head-fi.org/t/597257/millett-hybrid-minimax)
Quote from: BobM on August 16, 2012, 09:42:13 AM
Bill - just jump on this one. Within your budget and it is an awesome little tubed head amp for Sennheisers. The tubes even have LED's under them so they glow Blue - oooooh.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/597257/millett-hybrid-minimax (http://www.head-fi.org/t/597257/millett-hybrid-minimax)
That's actually a nice find... solid parts for the price.
Quote from: StereoNut on August 16, 2012, 05:39:48 AM
Grrrr!!! :evil:
Just to be sure, I e-mailed customer service at Maverick Audio regarding the D1 headphone amp/pre/DAC to be sure it can do what I want it to do. (My specific question was whether the headphone amp output ran through the tube in the unit.)
Maverick Audio Response:
"The headphone output on the D1 is solid state only, there is just not enough
room for putting a tube driven headphone amp section. The tube only powers the
tube pre-out."
Now what...??? :duh
Hi
I've read about people using this kind of adapter on the tube preamp outputs on the Maverick D1s or Grant Fidelity DAC-09s.
(http://www.rockingstone.nl/itcenter/itemimages/002125.jpg)
You then plug your headphone into the adapter. Not the prettiest set-up but it could get you that tubey goodness out of the D1 to your Senns.
Quote from: sleepyguy24
Hi
I've read about people using this kind of adapter on the tube preamp outputs on the Maverick D1s or Grant Fidelity DAC-09s.
(http://www.rockingstone.nl/itcenter/itemimages/002125.jpg)
You then plug your headphone into the adapter. Not the prettiest set-up but it could get you that tubey goodness out of the D1 to your Senns.
Thanks, SG24! This may be a worthwhile "workaround".
Quote from: djdube525 on August 16, 2012, 09:47:58 AM
Quote from: BobM on August 16, 2012, 09:42:13 AM
Bill - just jump on this one. Within your budget and it is an awesome little tubed head amp for Sennheisers. The tubes even have LED's under them so they glow Blue - oooooh.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/597257/millett-hybrid-minimax (http://www.head-fi.org/t/597257/millett-hybrid-minimax)
That's actually a nice find... solid parts for the price.
I built the kit version of this for myself about two years ago. It cost me about $350 to build it myself. I really can't believe this guy is selling a factory built one for $200, with extra tubes. I believe the new factory units sold for $500-600 or thereabouts. It is a perfect little amp for low impedance headpones like the Senn's, without ponying up for a Woo.
I use a Burson 160D and it is very good. I drive Senn HD650's using cd or files and it sounds sooooo good. :drool:
I finally decided on a Little Dot Mk.III
http://www.littledot.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=815 (http://www.littledot.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=815)
After adjusting the gain settings, it matches up really well with my 598's.
SN
very nice, premium parts too! But it's not a DAC I see you have the EE DAC.
shep would be jealous. He wanted one of those BAD!
shep?
shep?
Quote from: jimbones on December 18, 2012, 06:50:05 PM
very nice, premium parts too! But it's not a DAC I see you have the EE DAC.
Yes, Jim. I am currently running the CDP through the EE DAC via a Black Cat Veloce digital cable and then RCA I/C's from the DAC to the Little Dot. It's a nifty little set up. All I have to do is switch I/C's from my main system to the headphone amp and vice-versa.
SN
Quote from: richidoo on December 18, 2012, 06:57:01 PM
shep would be jealous. He wanted one of those BAD!
shep?
shep?
Shep has been awful quiet lately, hasn't he? (Like I should be talking :roll:)
Decware anybody ? ZH-1 at $375 battery operated. Melody ? Eastern Electric BBA ?
charles