groundenhancers

[richidoo]

Considering we are talking about an electron tank here, it would be interesting to hang a cap off the terminal, which is truly an electron storage tank. All varieties of capacity, conductor metal, dielectric are available to experiment, maybe in combination (series or parallel) with the wire loops.  I would think a very small value cap would equal the capacity of the loops. Of course it can't be connected electrically across the speaker terminals.

I wonder if the loops have some EM aspect. Creating a field around the wires which attracts some other energy which is then available electrically to enhance damping, or whatever. I have experienced weirder things than that with my friends who own radionic equipment. A block of copper, or even a sheet would have minimal EM effect, even if it has the same surface area or conductor mass/volume. Interesting area of experimentation, that's for sure.

[rollo]

Richadoo, tried a .022 cap, an unused ferrite core inductor, stranded, solidcore, Litz and ribbon wires.  All had a different affect. never altered the dielectric. Try that next.  So I guess the tuning is the key. For $25 I'm giving it a go. Its fun I've heard a difference now the real deal will step in.
  BTW, its 1PM Do you  know you know where your electrons are ? 


charles

[richidoo]

Cool!!! Great minds think alike!  That's interesting that you could hear difference on each.

My electrons should be getting home from school any minute.

[Phil]

Bob,

You might try moving the GE from the spearker's tweater/mid post and moving to the amp side.  I tried this last night and it does sound better -- less harsh.  Today is sounds better still.  More breakin will determine whether ultimately the boost in HF will disappear completely.

Since my overall goal is a natural sound (to my ears, of course), and having found other filters attached to either the speaker or amp can sound more transparent/open and/or detailed at the expense of color/texture (for lack of a better term), I remain skeptical.  But I always start out skeptical with every tweak. 

Phil

[rollo]

Cool!!! Great minds think alike!  That's interesting that you could hear difference on each.

My electrons should be getting home from school any minute.

  Yes electrons should not stray too far from home. All of this electron stuff has got me thinking about a true ground plane for the entire system. I still own the Tice conditioner/enhancer. george dabbled with electron management and was laughed out of the industry. I think its time to revisit the Tice now that my system has evolved over the years. It was great with the sub or bass amp. when i used the Tice my system was a tad bright and it made it brighter. Not good for me. It now resides in the LR for the plasma. which iImust say dramatically improved the TV picture. Tice clock anyone ?


charles

[richidoo]

For us youngins...
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[tmazz]

Cool!!! Great minds think alike!  That's interesting that you could hear difference on each.

My electrons should be getting home from school any minute.

  Yes electrons should not stray too far from home. All of this electron stuff has got me thinking about a true ground plane for the entire system. I still own the Tice conditioner/enhancer. george dabbled with electron management and was laughed out of the industry. I think its time to revisit the Tice now that my system has evolved over the years. It was great with the sub or bass amp. when i used the Tice my system was a tad bright and it made it brighter. Not good for me. It now resides in the LR for the plasma. which iImust say dramatically improved the TV picture. Tice clock anyone ?


charles

George was a Syndrome member back in the day and we got some up close and personal introductions to his early products. While he did some great things with the power line conditioners (I remnember him talking about winding his transforners with square rather than round wire  because it allowed the wires to sit tighter together resulting in a higher flux density),  I was never a big fan of "the clock" or any of his TPT treated wires. I gave them a listen and just didn't hear what all the fuss was about.

[BobM]

So I played with them a little bit this weekend. To begin, they are on the + speaker terminals in a bi-wired installation, because my preamp inverts. This sounds very good with no forwardness or top end emphasis since I installed banana plugs and hooked them at the very tip of the copper wire and tied the bottom end to the speaker wire with the cotton twine.

I did move them to the - speaker terminal, but heard that forwardness immediately.

I took them all off and heard the soundstage compress.

I put them back on the + terminals and heard the forwardness. This disappated over the course of an hour back to the pleasant sound I started with.

So this leads me to believe that any quick A-B test is pointless and the GE's need some time to "acclimate" after being moved. I will have to repeat this test on the - terminals and maybe on the amp when I can give them time to do so.

[richidoo]

Very cool Bob.  Good thinking on the positive terminal / phase inversion.     

With it requiring a new break in period every time you pull it off, and from what we [think we] know about cap and wire break-in that electrons need to renegotiate with adjacent dielectric, it seems like the ground enhancer is indeed acting like a electron hive of some sort.

[Werd]

Has anyone tried the xlr plugs with these yet?