With 2012 right around the corner, what are folks looking at for system upgrades?
Or have you finally conquered the Nervosa?
I'm sitting here listening to Freddie Hubbard interpret 'Blue Moon' and thinking I've come a long way in just under 2 years, still.......................
New speakers would be nice, Vandersteen 5A or Quatros possibly.
And a tube amp???
What are folks wishing for in the new year?
Now that the nest is empty I have a spare room that I might put a second system in as a dedicated listening room. I can envision an integrated tube amp with a pair of vintage Klipschorns. Perhaps the Garrard 401 project I am working on now could be the analogue front end in that system.
--Jerome
My Nervosa is being focused on new speakers. My Von Schweikert VR4JRs are really nice but I've had them for 5+ years and just feel like something else.
But the old bugaboo - It'd cost a bunch of money to replace them with something better. I always thought small monitors would work well in my smallish, well treated room.
Been reading up on Totem - The new Element Earth looks really cool (no crossover in super-duper new mid-woofer driver) and the Mani II Sig is a well respected monitor w/ stunning bass if you have the grunt, which I have covered w/ my hi-watt class D amp.
So, most likely, no significant changes once again this year :rofl:
I'm with Jerome. A second system but for CD only. The big rig is voiced for the TT and cart. I'm done there.
CDs sound really good however after some tube and or cable changes better. So instead of changing a thing a second system may be in order.
I like the idea of an intergrated tube amp for CD playback. Vintage horns would be nice or Tannoys. I feel theTannoys might be better match with CD as da horns might just reveal too much. We shall see.
Or just put all Deuland cast crossover parts in the Lenehan S2. Decisions decisions the new year should be fun. :thumb:
charles
I'm still interested in a new amplifier, but that would also likely require a new pre-amp, so I'm sitting in a situation similar to Mike ;)
I had a very fun 2011 with a lot of acquistions of gear & accessories (Stibbert CD player, VPI 16.5 RCM, Well Tempered Reference TT, Clearaudio Maestro cartridge, Silnote Morpheus Reference LE IC's, bunch of new vinyl, etc.)... by far the most ever in a year since being a audioloonie...
My oldest is heading to college in the fall and then every two years thereafter for my other 3 kids... Priorities point toward paying the outrageous college fees for the next 10 years (YIKES!) so I may have to go into Audio Nervosa rehab... oh no, no, no...
Both systems are sounding fine & I have plenty of tubes so minor DIY tweaking for the future...
I'm looking to build some new speakers when the weather warms up - large, sealed cabinets with active amp/crossover. Add more acoustic treatments for midrange echo and corner reflections. I also want to make a wall mounted TT shelf and a diy RCM. Brace the floor against record skips and for tighter bass.
Yup - that college thing starts for me in '13, I can probably kiss any thoughts of a new amp bye-bye.
The "second system" excuse to buy more gear :D
So how do you decide which system to use?
I'm toying with the idea of a tube amp for my maggie 3.6s. need at least 120 watt/channel so big money here. :shock:
I've upgraded TT from Project Debut to a VPI Aries. Just got a used SDS which is arriving next week so that's technically a 2012 upgrade. Have the Vista phono pre and just had my Cambridge 640P guts totally modded. Got a VPI 16.5 RCM.
Would still like a better phono Pre, a second 10.5i armwand and add a Dynavector 20xx MC to go with my Grado Reference Sonata. Would love to see the Fozgo tour make it to NJ to help dial in my VPI.
Went from Rocket 850s to Salk Songtowers. Would like better Salks, the new Philarmonics made by Dennis Murphy, Sonus Faber Cremonas, etc.
Bought my first Tube Integrated, Jolida 502brc and put Penta kt88s in it. Would like to get some Black Treasures.
Another possibility is to get a Tube Preamp and get my old SAE 2400L tuned up and back in service.
Problem with all these upgrades is I keep putting off room treatments which would probably make more of a difference.
Youngest is a HS Soph so a couple of years before College becomes a burden again. 2 down, one to go.
Quote from: etcarroll on December 31, 2011, 09:36:24 AM
Yup - that college thing starts for me in '13, I can probably kiss any thoughts of a new amp bye-bye.
Mine too. Trying to convince her that college is waaayyy overrated. She should be focusing on "marrying well". Ya know, a doctor, lawyer or a consultant like BobM.
BTW, If she does take my advice, can I still use the 529 tax free savings to buy gear?
In the college years now.Ffirst one in, but she did manage to pull in some significant scholarship dollars, so that's great. Second one starts in 3 years (1 year overlap for both will make that particular year a very, very poor one for me).
I'm copying library CD's. :-k
Speaker cables. The Kimber 8TC is now the oldest (6 or7 yrs) piece in my system and I know I can do better. However, the cost may be prohibitive because of the 20 ft length required.
No kids to put through college, though...
Hmm perhaps a new arm
the Audiomods arm looks tasty
Maybe some new tubes 6ca7 for my Dodds
Quote from: Emil on December 31, 2011, 09:45:37 AM
Quote from: etcarroll on December 31, 2011, 09:36:24 AM
Yup - that college thing starts for me in '13, I can probably kiss any thoughts of a new amp bye-bye.
Mine too. Trying to convince her that college is waaayyy overrated. She should be focusing on "marrying well". Ya know, a doctor, lawyer or a consultant like BobM.
BTW, If she does take my advice, can I still use the 529 tax free savings to buy gear?
If she's taking Audio Nervosa 101, I believe you can consider the gear "course materials".
I purchased a new pre about 6 weeks ago
http://www.purityaudiodesign.com/purity%20basis%20linestage.htm
I'd like to try a tube amp at some point
Quote from: pumpkinman on December 31, 2011, 04:33:13 PM
I purchased a new pre about 6 weeks ago
http://www.purityaudiodesign.com/purity%20basis%20linestage.htm
I'd like to try a tube amp at some point
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=3294.0 maybe? 8)
(http://www.purityaudiodesign.com/custom-basis-3-S.gif)
If so,,,, sweet! If not, still sweet!! :thumb:
Cheers,
Robin
Quote from: satfrat on December 31, 2011, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: pumpkinman on December 31, 2011, 04:33:13 PM
I purchased a new pre about 6 weeks ago
http://www.purityaudiodesign.com/purity%20basis%20linestage.htm
I'd like to try a tube amp at some point
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=3294.0 maybe? 8)
(http://www.purityaudiodesign.com/custom-basis-3-S.gif)
If so,,,, sweet! If not, still sweet!! :thumb:
Cheers,
Robin
Yes Robin that's the one. I've been trying diff. tubes thanks to 2 A/N members sending me 3 pairs all of which sound better than the EH 6SN7 tubes (very noisey) I purchased
Quote from: pumpkinman on December 31, 2011, 04:33:13 PM
I purchased a new pre about 6 weeks ago
http://www.purityaudiodesign.com/purity%20basis%20linestage.htm
I'd like to try a tube amp at some point
Congratulation Bill
Quote from: shadowlight on December 31, 2011, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: pumpkinman on December 31, 2011, 04:33:13 PM
I purchased a new pre about 6 weeks ago
http://www.purityaudiodesign.com/purity%20basis%20linestage.htm
I'd like to try a tube amp at some point
Congratulation Bill
Thanks Deepak
Hmmm, this may be the year I replace my Aerial 10t speakers. I love them but they're not a great match for my room nor my wife's esthetics.
With what remains a mystery...
Good luck with your search Mike. There are a lot of choices but few that can match the value of used 10T. You'll find them this year!
Quote from: mdconnelly on January 01, 2012, 06:27:51 AM
Hmmm, this may be the year I replace my Aerial 10t speakers. I love them but they're not a great match for my room nor my wife's esthetics.
With what remains a mystery...
Man dem der are classics. Be extra nice to Wifey.
charles
I need a decent seat for lengthy listening sessions!
I've been trying to get something good for no more than $500.
Check Craigslist and Goodwill. I got a nice velour recliner for $50. Just don't forget the sniff test. :^o
Well... after almost 2 years of savin' up my pennies, I have enough $$$ for sending my Von Schweikert VR-4 Gen.III speakers in to Von Schweikert Audio for upgrades to VR-44 status. (My apologies to my Audio Syndrome members who have been hearing about this for so long they've gotta be tired of the mention of it!)
Anyway, I have them all packed up (finally!) and just have to set-up the trucking (to California) with the freight company that's taking them. Hopefully, these will be en route by this coming Saturday!?!
I hope! :D
Quote from: rollo on January 02, 2012, 08:59:32 AM
Quote from: mdconnelly on January 01, 2012, 06:27:51 AM
Hmmm, this may be the year I replace my Aerial 10t speakers. I love them but they're not a great match for my room nor my wife's esthetics.
With what remains a mystery...
Man dem der are classics. Be extra nice to Wifey.
charles
The 10Ts
are classics and to my wife's credit, she has totally enjoyed the sound and has not really complained about the looks (much). But, they require space to breath and my current listening room which doubles as our living room is less than 12' wide (they're on the long wall) so they dominate the room. They also seem to be magnets for the grandkids so something's gotta go (and it ain't gonna be my tunes ;-)
I'm very interested in the Von Schweikert VR-35s which are designed for near-wall placement. Time will tell...
Yup, get rid of the grandkids :-P
Did you ask your local VS dealer if he stocks them? ;)
Quote from: richidoo on January 02, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
Yup, get rid of the grandkids :-P
Spoken like a true audiophile. :rofl:
My system went through a lot of changes this year. New Von Schweikert VR 33 speakers, Moscode 402 AU amp, Belles 22A preamp and all new wiring from Morrow audio. I am getting ready to send in my Logitech touch to be Bolder modded. 2012 will be the year of the DAC, hoping to find a perfect DAC to compliment my system!
Quote from: richidoo on January 02, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
Yup, get rid of the grandkids :-P
Did you ask your local VS dealer if he stocks them? ;)
Hah! Yep, already in touch with our very own HomeTheaterDoc - Shane.
Quote from: etcarroll on December 31, 2011, 07:35:54 AMOr have you finally conquered the Nervosa?
Yea, I've pretty well conquered my nervosa.
With regards to sound quality, I couldn't be happier. There's not a single piece of my system that I'm looking for improvement on.
With regard to the
pain in the butt factor, well now....that's a different story.
With the never ending drama and aggravation with the Squeezebox stuff, I've been kicking around the idea of going straight from PC to system and eliminating Logitech from the equation all together.
Unfortunately, that change will not only bring about a certain (high) cost, but also a chance in sound quality that I'm not sure I want to gamble with.
I'm afraid I'm dammed if I do, and dammed if I don't.
Bob
Happy New Year Guys!
I have lost the Nervosa so I am doubtful I will pursue any upgrades to the system anytime soon. When I turn it on it brings me joy and I figure that is the real end game!
My goal for this year is to continue to add more music to my library.
Ken
Ken, that is a very good place to be!
Quote from: mdconnelly on January 03, 2012, 06:05:49 PM
Ken, that is a very good place to be!
+1 We should all be that lucky, Ken! :thumb:
I've made quite a number of changes in the last couple months of 2011.... not sure how much I'm going to change in 2012....
Major changes:
1) I actually have working 6C33C based tube amplifiers from the custom build project that was started quite some time ago. They're not finalized at all. There is still some mechanical issues that we've traced to the less than ideal multiple off the shelf power transformers. So most likely we'll be re-working things and I'll be ordering custom wound power transformers.... but Sol is still trying to find a way to make it work with something else off the shelf. Custom trannies would reduce the footprint as well and lower some heat and power draw.
2) I added Abbingdon Music Research (AMR) to the lineup. I finally have a few pieces here in stock and they are breaking in 24/7 with big dummy resistors on the power amp speaker binding posts so it isn't blasting music full time. They're just about baked enough to do some serious listening. Early listening tests proved very positive.
3) I brought back some Von Schweikert speakers... no matter how much stuff I listen to over the years... no matter how many different brands of things I hear at shows, there's just something about what Albert can do with drivers and a crossover that floats my boat. So I went whole hog and got a surround setup of 2 pairs of VR-35 floorstanders and the LCR-4 center channel. Again, to keep domestic relations in good order for the most part, they've only been breaking in while actually listening or playing movies. So it's a much slower process... and VSA stuff takes minimum 500 hours it seems for everything they make. What I will say so far is that using a pair of VR-35s for rears is just absolutely crazy in my theater room space... It's just too much of a good thing....The wife isn't a fan. Essentially 4 subwoofers (since each VR-35 has a 10 inch woofer) in a speaker that is flat to below 20Hz in my theater room space is actually too much dynamics and slam.... it's freakin' scary how much snap the VR-35s have and can absolutely smack you upside the head when watching a movie. This isn't your typical subwoofer rumble. While watching one movie last week, the wife actually complained that it was vibrating her abdomen and making her sick. Part of me wants to keep it for the novelty effect and to scare the crap out of people. But more likely one pair of VR-35s stay for front left and right with the LCR-4 center and I go back to a small bookshelf size wall mounted surround speaker instead of the other pair of VR-35s back there. I think I might be selling the other pair of VR-35s.... you listening, Mike? :)
4) I got some of the Kanto powered bookshelf speakers. I really liked the pair that Carl has, so I ordered some up to be my new office computer speakers and offer a nice affordable option to the iPod crowd of customers. They work great. I think John (Black Sand Cable) had these as a brand a while back, but I'm not certain. That might have been where Carl got his. For $300 for a pair, they're really quite something.
Who knows what else 2012 will bring... I know the fast approaching due date of my very pregnant wife will alter my audio life in ways I can't even imagine just yet.... I have a feeling I won't be making it to many audio shows this year (missing CES already because I've been told I need to stay close to home :) hehehe), nor will I have as much time for anything audio related once baby arrives... I will have to start him early on his music appreciation lessons.... It should be a great year!
Hi Shane,
Have you listened to the AudioEngine 5s? I'm wondering how the Kantos compare.
Dave
QuoteI think I might be selling the other pair of VR-35s.... you listening, Mike?
This Mike sure is :thumb:
-Mike
Quote from: mfsoa on January 04, 2012, 07:48:07 AM
QuoteI think I might be selling the other pair of VR-35s.... you listening, Mike?
This Mike sure is :thumb:
-Mike
Damn, I was hoping he meant me! Shane, PM sent. Gotta hear how they stack up to the 10Ts!
Lots of fun stuff here! Good luck to everyone. It's nice to hear Ken and Bob are 'done' to some degree and listening to music! Also nice to hear Shane is 'gearing up' for a new baby. Good times! :) I built a bike before Luke was born... I've ridden it twice... he's going on 8 months old now. :(
I'm working with Rich on a couple of projects this year, mainly the Buffalo DAC with uber power supplies and output tranformers. It's the only DAC I've heard that got it all right. I love what my Scott Nixon does (makes music in an emotional way) but wish for a little more detail at the bottom and top.
I'm also going to work with Rich on a pair of subs. Once those 2 projects are done, I don't know what else I can do to make it better. Right now the system is at 80% of everything I ever wanted... and some days I wonder why I would change anything at all.
I am considering tweaks to my amp and preamp also. (caps, etc.) Just depends on money.
My main goal is to grow a new business and start a transition out of I.T.... or keep it limited to 1 day a week by the end of 2012.
Shane the AMR DAC is a killer. Has my attention. Good luck with the line.
charles
Quote from: Carlman on January 05, 2012, 04:55:36 AM
Also nice to hear Shane is 'gearing up' for a new baby. Good times! :) I built a bike before Luke was born... I've ridden it twice... he's going on 8 months old now. :(
Which is specifically why I did some of the changes now... so if I do get 30 seconds to enjoy some stuff, it's with the cool new gear.... I have a feeling I'm not going to be able to do much, if any, playing with new gear for quite some time.... no more constant ordering and playing with new gear choices to see if they better my existing stuff.....so best to find some cool stuff now to have....
QuoteI'm also going to work with Rich on a pair of subs.
Hmmm... whatcha doin' there? The TBI demos I just sold would have been perfect...
Quote from: djdube525 on January 04, 2012, 07:47:57 AM
Hi Shane,
Have you listened to the AudioEngine 5s? I'm wondering how the Kantos compare.
Dave
yeah... I heard them a couple of times.... they're surprisingly similar... I'd be curious if they were OEM'd from the same place... going from sonic memory wouldn't be fair though... I'd need to listen to them again now that I have the Kantos here... I believe Mike C has a pair of the smaller ones and he seems happy with them.......
main differences for me were that the feature set of A5s wasn't as robust as the kanto.... now with the A5+, they are almost identical again... except that the Kanto is cheaper now given increased MSRP price of new A5+ model...
Quote from: rollo on January 05, 2012, 11:40:59 AM
Shane the AMR DAC is a killer. Has my attention. Good luck with the line.
charles
Yup... in early listening tests it is really quite something... the only major "issue" I've found so far is that even though it has preamp capability and analog RCA inputs, it only puts out max 2V before full bypass.... so you can run into gain issues with your setup if the amp isn't high enough gain or speakers high enough efficiency... not the same as the high voltage outputs of the PS Audio or Antelope Audio Zodiac.... of course, for some folks that 2V max output is a very good thing and allows much more volume range flexibility....
sonic wise, it is really quite something.... and the chassis work of the units and their form and look is right up my alley. I love it even more in person....
If you had to compare the AMR sonically to something we've likely heard, whay do you think it sounds like most?
- Bryston DAC
- EE Minimax DAC
- Benchmark DAC
- other?
It would seem that I'm also interested in a new DAC in 2012.
I'm considering changing out my SSD Toshiba notebook so that I can use larger external drives (3TB). This means that I probably won't be able to use my firewire connection (Focusrite Saffire) to my Meitner Bitstream, and will probably go to a USB format. I've read wonderful things about the Stello U3, the Audiophellia2 and Offramp interfaces.
But then I got to thinking that maybe I should just get a USB DAC. Further reading led me to the possibility of a Metrum Octave coupled with one of the above mentioned interfaces.
So now, I'm wonderfully confused and content to continue reading reviews with the expectation of purchasing something early in the new year.
Rich
Maybe the EE DAC can go on tour? It's a really nice DAC and I'm enjoying it immensely... especially the amazing imaging. :thumb: If it happens, it'll be in the tours section here on AN.
-C
Quote from: BobM on January 05, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
If you had to compare the AMR sonically to something we've likely heard, whay do you think it sounds like most?
- Bryston DAC
- EE Minimax DAC
- Benchmark DAC
- other?
Some guys on Computer Audiophile compared the AMR to the PDX I have (except mine has the upgraded I/V resistors) and it was very close - with the AMR being preferred just by a whisker.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/AMR-DP777
Now if it is anything like the PDX I have compared it to the Bryston and Benchmark - the Benchmark - no contest - the Bryston - closer - but still no cigar - a touch cold and uninvolving while the Benchmark is very much along those lines.
The EE is a SABER DAC and I have never really warmed to them. Owned a WFS for ages - just sold it the other day. In my experience with SABER DAC's an Off-Ramp is pretty much mandatory - a much much better DAC when fed that way - but still slightly 'cold' in the lower treble - but without it really cold in the treble - like out of a freezer.
I have been listening to a lot of DAC's over the last year or so and the best three I have heard are the Metrum, PDX and Killer. Of those the Metrum is the cheapest - but you must feed it with an Off-Ramp or similar.
Thanks
Bill
I haven't done any critical listening to the AMR yet... it was still burning in... just some testing I did related to gain to determine if it really was it should be or if my unit had too low output. While doing that I was quickly swapping between all the DAC/preamp units I have here to get measurements. It stood out in a good way during that brief listening session. It's been playing 24/7 since then in silence into the AMR AM-77 integrated amp with 100W dummy resistors on the AM-77s output speaker binding posts. I'm hoping to do some listening this weekend if all goes well and the time vortex that is my pregnant wife doesn't have other plans for me :)
Now that the AMR is much closer to burned in and ready for listening, maybe the comparisons to other DACs can be had. I need to have a get together soon before it's too late and I have no time. I'd like to show some of this new stuff off to the locals and compare it with the awesome stuff that was already here before it arrived :) part of my delay so far was burning stuff in, part was lack of time as I try to get nursery ready, sell off stuff, etc., and part of it was that I'm still waiting for a couple things to arrive (new digital board for the PS Audio PWD that will make it a MKII model)....
I will say that the WFS DAC 2 is ***NOT*** a valid example of what a ESS Sabre DAC chip usually sounds like. Of the examples I've heard, it's the outlier, not the norm.
Quote from: hometheaterdoc on January 06, 2012, 02:08:34 PMI will say that the WFS DAC 2 is ***NOT*** a valid example of what a ESS Sabre DAC chip usually sounds like. Of the examples I've heard, it's the outlier, not the norm.
I hope so. I have been very critical of the WFS fed via its USB - good bass and detail - but the treble is cold - like out of a freezer. But when I fed it with my Off-Ramp a total transformation - that way I could easily live with it - just a slight trace of that coldness. My hypotheses is its due to the implementation of the USB - they believed the hype the SABER was jitter immune - it isn't in my experience. I seem to recall some guy over at absolute sound reckons when fed with the Off-Ramp some SABER DAC's he had, including the WFS, all sounded the same.
That said I know a few people who have heard a lot of SABER DAC's and none floats their boat.
Thanks
Bill
I've actually done comparisons between the EE USB Dac alone and with the Off-Ramp 3 w/Ultraclock & Paul Hynes PS and frankly I was surprised on how close they were. While I definitely preferred the Off-Ramp, the EE USB wasn't all that far behind in my system.
Still the EE Dac wasn't what my system needed (too much of a good thing) but did enjoy the demo opportunity. :thumb:
Cheers,
Robin
I'm considering speakers and an amp. But which first?
Uh-oh. :lol:
Speakers first, always.
Amps only have to be sized to the load (based on speaker efficiency and amount of deep bass being handled).
Speakers must fit the room factors (space, WAF, set-up); your taste (musical genre, spl's, detail, imaging, tone, amount of deep bass, etc.); besides another option is active speakers (better dynamics/bass, flat frequency response, amps matched by manufacturer, overdrive protection).
Quote from: JLM on January 07, 2012, 07:16:05 PM
Speakers first, always.
Amps only have to be sized to the load (based on speaker efficiency and amount of deep bass being handled).
Speakers must fit the room factors (space, WAF, set-up); your taste (musical genre, spl's, detail, imaging, tone, amount of deep bass, etc.); besides another option is active speakers (better dynamics/bass, flat frequency response, amps matched by manufacturer, overdrive protection).
All I can say is I agree. The only thing I would add, and I know this is not the majority view, a DAC makes a bigger difference than an amp - not as much as speakers of course, but I have demoed it to a lot people out my way and they were shocked - left scratching their head.
Thanks
Bill
Quote from: satfrat on January 06, 2012, 09:05:00 PM
I've actually done comparisons between the EE USB Dac alone and with the Off-Ramp 3 w/Ultraclock & Paul Hynes PS and frankly I was surprised on how close they were. While I definitely preferred the Off-Ramp, the EE USB wasn't all that far behind in my system.
Still the EE Dac wasn't what my system needed (too much of a good thing) but did enjoy the demo opportunity. :thumb:
Cheers,
Robin
Hi Robin
Yes the Off-Ramp is an interesting device isn't it? How can it make the difference it does - everyone I have shown it to leaves scratching their head on that. It generally falls into two camps - your camp - better - and noticeably so - but not huge. And the other camp - my camp - its in a different league. It seems to be DAC dependant as well with it having the biggest effect on the Metrum followed by the WFS.
The Metrum created a big buzz after myself and a couple of other guys got one and posted about it - but I did warn people you must feed it with something like the Off-Ramp. I suspect some people didn't heed the advice because a heap appeared in the for sale sections after that.
I thought it may really lift some cheaper DAC's like the Audio GD NFB 3 everyone out my way was raving about. A guy bought one over and we tried it against all my DAC's - sorry no cigar - slow, dull, lifeless, slightly milky and the Off-Ramp didn't seem to really change its character.
Thanks
Bill
It's funny reading these posts. They align very much with some private e-mails we've been exchanging with Andy (Drew) about replacing his ancient Theta DAC.
The issues seem to be trading off slam (the Theta puts out 7V as opposed to the normal 2V so there is a huge dynamic advantage there) vs keeping the musicality, vs too much tubiness and warmth (Cary) vs too much transparency (Beringer).
I agree, the speakers and amp generally determine the character of a system, but if the amp is fairly neutral and the speakers revealing then the source determines the overall sound to a large degree, be it a DAC or a phono stage/cartridge. Oh, and if everything in there is of the revealing nature then the cables (all of them) are the tone controls.
Ain't it fun? Maybe we should just all get ton e controls or parametric equalizers and stop trying to be absolutists. :-s
Been over a month, so thought I'd revive this and keep up with 2012 wishing and/vs reality.
+2 to Ken and Bob ... and anyone else that's joined them with nervosa in remission ... hope it lasts for you. Been there for a year or so just enjoying the theater and music (after 3 years of purgatory - no theater or music room - then over a year of sawdust and bengay building the upstairs). Even though I only got it up to "OK" status ... it was an infinite improvement over that last few years.
Now planning to take the theater the rest of the way with new AT screenwall and built-ins all around.