Just curious as I am considering one in Aug.
charles
I have one planned for August 3rd, Details TBD...
but you already know that!
None have been made public that I'm aware of.
Quote from: Barry (NJ) on June 21, 2013, 07:40:52 PM
None have been made public that I'm aware of.
Is there supposed to be one by Mr. Hogg? :drool:
I might do something for the fall...much has changed.
Sonically that is
(//)
looking for IC's now
heard the new platinum 7 cables that were off the charts great but expensive
new toy as well RM 200 amp!
Quote from: Triode Pete on June 21, 2013, 12:17:06 PM
I have one planned for August 3rd, Details TBD...
but you already know that!
Thought it was a Audiosyndrome mini/max rave not a Rave Rave, so there.
charles
No worries Pete, I'll update the schedule.
Quote from: rollo on June 22, 2013, 06:43:48 AM
Quote from: Triode Pete on June 21, 2013, 12:17:06 PM
I have one planned for August 3rd, Details TBD...
but you already know that!
Thought it was a Audiosyndrome mini/max rave not a Rave Rave, so there.
charles
What's the difference? Officially, Audio Syndrome meets from September to June, taking July & August off...
My "GTG's" are about "Inclusion" not "Exclusion / Exclusivity"... so there!
Once I finish my 200wpc SET monos I'll host something. Looking like end of summer/early fall. The OPTs are taking longer than expected to get.
Thanks Pete for fixing that.
right message is everything
Quote from: topround on June 22, 2013, 10:05:41 AM
Thanks Pete for fixing that.
right message is everything
Truth!
Quote from: Triode Pete on June 22, 2013, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: rollo on June 22, 2013, 06:43:48 AM
Quote from: Triode Pete on June 21, 2013, 12:17:06 PM
I have one planned for August 3rd, Details TBD...
but you already know that!
Thought it was a Audiosyndrome mini/max rave not a Rave Rave, so there.
charles
What's the difference? Officially, Audio Syndrome meets from September to June, taking July & August off...
My "GTG's" are about "Inclusion" not "Exclusion / Exclusivity"... so there!
What does that mean ?? Mr. Board member. :rofl:
charles
I will probably host a rave in late August or early September.
However, attendance will have to be limited. It's just too much having 40 or so audiophiles at my house on one day. My first priority is to entertain those who have entertained me in the past. Also I have made several friends from the NY Audio Rave group over the past years, as informal as it may be, who are high on my list of invitees. My plan is for a rave and not a mini audio show.
I believe the format of old raves is gone for a few reasons. Firstly, Phil Lam wanted a vehicle to demo his products. As he was a dealer, I can certainly understand this; Phil wanted to sell gear. Secondly few of the NY Audio Rave members have spaces large enough to hold more than a few people at a time. Lastly, what is the rationale for such an event?. I think it has to be friendship.
I don't believe it's an "automatic" that Audio Syndrome members attend NY Audio Rave gatherings just as it's not an automatic NY Audio Rave members attend Audio Syndrome gatherings. I believe this should always be done by invitation.
This is the only way I can see to proceed in the future. To wit, most of the NY Audio Rave gatherings in recent times have been small in numbers. Thank you for listening to me.
Jim
Hear ye, hear ye. The only way to do this in the future (and in the past for many of us) is through invitation. Those left out shouldnt feel bad, because they can be included next time. The old style, open door all invited, go ahead and pull my rig apart raves were just masochistic and prone to follow up divorce proceedings. Much kudos to those that managed to pull them off. They were tons of fun, but I for one can't host that and survive.my marriage.
That being said, if anyone ever wants to hear my rig just drop me a note and I will see what I can do in small batches.
Enjoy,
Bob
Makes sense to me guys.
Quote from: BobM on July 09, 2013, 04:40:24 PM
Hear ye, hear ye. The only way to do this in the future (and in the past for many of us) is through invitation. Those left out shouldnt feel bad, because they can be included next time. The old style, open door all invited, go ahead and pull my rig apart raves were just masochistic and prone to follow up divorce proceedings. Much kudos to those that managed to pull them off. They were tons of fun, but I for one can't host that and survive.my marriage.
That being said, if anyone ever wants to hear my rig just drop me a note and I will see what I can do in small batches.
Enjoy,
Bob
However, I think STILL once in a while, if the situation warrants, a big shindig would be nice (a more social rather than just-there-for-the-tweak! groupy session is still desirable). Audio is perhaps a dying art (IMO), that's why we're at where we're at. May be future raves will be say "FLAC meet", played from a chip the size of a bean (that's too big already!). :rofl:
Quote from: hogg on July 09, 2013, 04:07:07 PM
I will probably host a rave in late August or early September.
However, attendance will have to be limited. It's just too much having 40 or so audiophiles at my house on one day. My first priority is to entertain those who have entertained me in the past. Also I have made several friends from the NY Audio Rave group over the past years, as informal as it may be, who are high on my list of invitees. My plan is for a rave and not a mini audio show.
I believe the format of old raves is gone for a few reasons. Firstly, Phil Lam wanted a vehicle to demo his products. As he was a dealer, I can certainly understand this; Phil wanted to sell gear. Secondly few of the NY Audio Rave members have spaces large enough to hold more than a few people at a time. Lastly, what is the rationale for such an event?. I think it has to be friendship.
I don't believe it's an "automatic" that Audio Syndrome members attend NY Audio Rave gatherings just as it's not an automatic NY Audio Rave members attend Audio Syndrome gatherings. I believe this should always be done by invitation.
This is the only way I can see to proceed in the future. To wit, most of the NY Audio Rave gatherings in recent times have been small in numbers. Thank you for listening to me.
Jim
OK, Guys, works for me... I'll send out PM's for my August 3rd Rave...
If I forget you & you really want to attend, PM me!
Pete
Jim, well said. The other part of the Rave is the cost as the hosts well know.
Phil may have had an agenda with sales however put out a fine spread for all to enjoy. Levi had his whole family cooking for us. Mike hired a cook for those steaks.
Not all can reciprocate. Dealers and Manufactures who hold Rave events have an opportunity to show their wears and provide a good time for all. Food for lunch and dinner for 40+ attendees is not cheap.
Maybe $10 a person can cover food and all we need is the host. Twelve hours of fun for $10. I believe we will get more hosts if the food is covered.
Manufactures are willing to show their gear however a theme for a meeting might just be good idea. Speaker day, Amp day, Preamp day, CDP day TT day and so on. Shoot outs are OK if the Manf's agree.
Exposure to new products in a home enviorment is very desireable.
However not all agree with this scenario. Maybe if we define what a Rave is we can better plan the events and get hosts.
charles
I think chipping in for a rave is a good idea, it does get expensive. But there may be some that balk over paying, or paying for food they do not like. It then becomes the hosts duty to provide you with what you like, and if they do not like your food, well it could get complicated. Hopefully not.
Booze is expensive, so I think the host will probably always have some on hand, but people should definetly supplement the supply. And I have found people do indeed!
Themes are good. But I think it is up to the host to choose the theme and agree with any gear swapping.
Business models have changed and everyone is trying to sell something these days, that should play into the equation.
Yes, Phil sold gear, but you would never know it!
Ripping systems apart is fun for sure, but I find I like it less and less, so it should be open for the host to decide what he wants and does not want.
I would like to do a rave again, I like the big open raves that for socializing :thumb:they are the most fun.
Playing with gear...we all pretty much have access to lots of gear to play with, luckily
mike
Quote from: topround on July 11, 2013, 03:44:21 PM
I think chipping in for a rave is a good idea, it does get expensive. But there may be some that balk over paying, or paying for food they do not like. It then becomes the hosts duty to provide you with what you like, and if they do not like your food, well it could get complicated. Hopefully not.
Booze is expensive, so I think the host will probably always have some on hand, but people should definetly supplement the supply. And I have found people do indeed!
Themes are good. But I think it is up to the host to choose the theme and agree with any gear swapping.
Business models have changed and everyone is trying to sell something these days, that should play into the equation.
Yes, Phil sold gear, but you would never know it!
Ripping systems apart is fun for sure, but I find I like it less and less, so it should be open for the host to decide what he wants and does not want.
I would like to do a rave again, I like the big open raves that for socializing :thumb:they are the most fun.
Playing with gear...we all pretty much have access to lots of gear to play with, luckily
mike
Didn't I say looong ago that we should all kick in. Well, whoever's graceful enough. Dutch style.... Even IF say a few people footing the bill for a given event, it'd be a big financial relief on the host, who's gracious enough to lend ou this/her real estate for the event already. I'd absolutely have NO reservation chipping in. In the past, some of us had made the effort of bringing at least a bottle. That's only right, IMO. Whoever's UNwilling to contribute is perhaps look upon as just being stingy. I'd have no problem with that. There'll always be people like that. It takes all kinds, as long as we're all sociable, with "having a good time" as the ultimate goal.
Shek
Mike I agree the host calls the shots. The gear swapping needs to be controlled better.
What I meant about theme was say CDP day, Amp day, speaker day. If one component is changed using the same ancillary gear we can evaluate the differences. Just changing two things or more does not cut it. We learn nothing.
Raves to me are a social event. It is hard to demo anything with a noisy crowd. All having fun talking the talk as it should be. However some respect for the Manf. demo would be nice.
Or just a nice day listening to the hosts system. It is cool to set up an outdoor system s well. Exposure to new gear or trends is a good thing.
We have a good bunch of audiophiles , manf's, dealers to make a good day.
Mike your theme of LPs only was a VG idea. Computer audio would be a good theme as well. USB DAC day oh my !
Anyways we need hosts. I also think we need a coordinator. Barry has been kind enough to help out big time. Back in the day Levi was a godsent. Maybe some structure would help. I don;t know just throwing it out there.
charles
Barry is DA man. I vote for him... Sexually and for the uh coordinator of all great events big small and Irish undersized like me. ;)
We all have new gear to bring too.
M
Those who have thrown raves understand that not everyone has the room to host raves so dont sweat it
Its always been a pleasure throwing a rave for my fellow philes.
Sure the cost and work involved is not insignificant but I will do it again in a heartbeat when I get the chance again.
If we want to collect some money it should go to the hosts wife or significant other in a form of a gift card or something for putting up with a house full of geeks as my daughter calls us.
Excellent idea Emil!
That would be a great way to ensure more raves!
Honestly I don't think raves are good place for Manufacturers to showcase their gear.
We have the NJ Audio Society , the NY Audiophile Society , the Connecticut Audio Society, these guys have scheduled meetings, with formats. That is where a manufacturer should send a piece for people to hear.
Raves are parties for people to eat drink and BS, manuf's are ill served if they are hoping to sell gear at a rave.
If you want to really understand a piece it has to be in your system, having everyone hear a piece in a strange system may give you an idea, and that idea may translate well into your system, or not. But you really won't know unless you try it in your system, and not with a bunch of people eating and drinking and talking all over the house.
That is my opinion, raves are parties to show off our systems, and to get everyone together and socialize, and you know what?...they are a lot of fun.
Perhaps they will come back again, I hope to do one in Sept or October, and it will be vinyl and PC audio only
Quote from: rollo on July 12, 2013, 07:08:01 AM
........................ Anyways we need hosts. I also think we need a coordinator. Barry has been kind enough to help out big time. Back in the day Levi was a godsent. Maybe some structure would help. I don;t know just throwing it out there.
charles
I said sometime ago we were just a bunch of loosy goosy guys, a bunch of "loosers" (mind you, it has a double "O" in it, not single "O"), meaning we were never organized. So, I absolutely agree, for a group to last, there's got to be some structure. A "HOST" is a good start. Perhaps a coordinator is necessary. IF we're going to do we've been saying, have everybody involved, we'd better have a coordinator. He/she should at least be coordinating who's bringing what, right? :thumb:
Quote from: topround on July 12, 2013, 02:17:38 PM
Honestly I don't think raves are good place for Manufacturers to showcase their gear.
We have the NJ Audio Society , the NY Audiophile Society , the Connecticut Audio Society, these guys have scheduled meetings, with formats. That is where a manufacturer should send a piece for people to hear.
Raves are parties for people to eat drink and BS, manuf's are ill served if they are hoping to sell gear at a rave.
If you want to really understand a piece it has to be in your system, having everyone hear a piece in a strange system may give you an idea, and that idea may translate well into your system, or not. But you really won't know unless you try it in your system, and not with a bunch of people eating and drinking and talking all over the house.
That is my opinion, raves are parties to show off our systems, and to get everyone together and socialize, and you know what?...they are a lot of fun.
Perhaps they will come back again, I hope to do one in Sept or October, and it will be vinyl and PC audio only
I disagree. At our raves, we usually have so many people bringing their gear already. Having a manufacturer there to show off their new creations, to demo the virtues of their stuff, not a bad idea at all!
When was it ever, if ever, we had a manufacturer there and we didn't have a party anyway? :beer:
Letting a manufacturer show off a piece of equipment may very well fit into the hosts plan, especially if they are curious and have an interest in that piece of equipment. However, it gets out of hand when a manufacturer just shows up with stuff then expects it to be put into the system for a period of time, or the same pieces keep showing up at meeting after meeting.
It should ALWAYS be the hosts call as to what they will and will not allow and how they want things to go for the day. Any manufacturer should give them the courtesy of checking ahead of time to see what the host desires and how they want it run.
I always get scared when there are 3-4 audiophiles on their hands and knees around an expensive system, swapping wires and amps and such. There's a lot invested in our systems and one "oops" can lead to a costly and time consuming repair. It has definitely happened before.
Quote from: topround on July 12, 2013, 02:17:38 PM
Honestly I don't think raves are good place for Manufacturers to showcase their gear.
We have the NJ Audio Society , the NY Audiophile Society , the Connecticut Audio Society, these guys have scheduled meetings, with formats. That is where a manufacturer should send a piece for people to hear.
Raves are parties for people to eat drink and BS, manuf's are ill served if they are hoping to sell gear at a rave.
If you want to really understand a piece it has to be in your system, having everyone hear a piece in a strange system may give you an idea, and that idea may translate well into your system, or not. But you really won't know unless you try it in your system, and not with a bunch of people eating and drinking and talking all over the house.
That is my opinion, raves are parties to show off our systems, and to get everyone together and socialize, and you know what?...they are a lot of fun.
Perhaps they will come back again, I hope to do one in Sept or October, and it will be vinyl and PC audio only
You forgot the Audiosyndrome as well.
charles
I would like to do a rave in October.
Bunch of new stuff, new amp, new preamp, new phono pre.
and new cables.
Amp is here , preamp is being built as I write and phono pre..parts are ordered for a LR Riaa pre.
Hopefeully they play nice together
Maybe Oct. 19th?
Quote from: topround on July 16, 2013, 03:15:42 AM
Maybe Oct. 19th?
Hey Mike, please give yourself enough time to set things up and burn things in. It was unfortunate that the cartridge you were using last time was so new. I'm sure it sounded far better with some more hours on it. One of the few times I think you will even admit the digital sounded better :duh
I have sprayed pro gold on my balls and am ready for ANY rave! :-P
Quote from: topround on July 12, 2013, 02:17:38 PM
Honestly I don't think raves are good place for Manufacturers to showcase their gear.
We have the NJ Audio Society , the NY Audiophile Society , the Connecticut Audio Society, these guys have scheduled meetings, with formats. That is where a manufacturer should send a piece for people to hear.
Raves are parties for people to eat drink and BS, manuf's are ill served if they are hoping to sell gear at a rave.
If you want to really understand a piece it has to be in your system, having everyone hear a piece in a strange system may give you an idea, and that idea may translate well into your system, or not. But you really won't know unless you try it in your system, and not with a bunch of people eating and drinking and talking all over the house.
That is my opinion, raves are parties to show off our systems, and to get everyone together and socialize, and you know what?...they are a lot of fun.
Perhaps they will come back again, I hope to do one in Sept or October, and it will be vinyl and PC audio only
First let me start off with I agree 100% that Raves are a social event more than a critical listening event. Yes they are lots of fun.
I think the problem got down to WHO was going to bring gear. Clicks began to form and personalities just got in the way.
As an original Raver I started going when Levi would host it was a gas. I believe Boris of Vista fame and Phil were the only Manf/dealer involved. They demonstrated their gear with no issues. As the Rave grew and more attended some were manfs/dealers. Some were Ravers before they were Manf/dealers. So all of a sudden they have agendas to sell their wares to other Ravers. I don't think so. If they did it was at a VG price.
On a personal note we have built our business around home demo. That is what we do. Showing at Raves is a nice courtesy extended to its Ravers by hosts. It is not about sales it is about exposing new gear to our fellow Ravers.
In the future the host should determine who/what will be there. If one wants to help a friend demo their wares great. If we just enjoy the system at hand great.
Having a good time is the key not selling gear. When we came to your last Rave four dealer/manf were there. Slagle, Kaplan, Wes and GTAudio Works. You even did a cable demo. Hey no problem for me Kaplans' cables were a pleasure to hear.
We can all get along and Rave away we just need hosts.
charles
I would like to apologize for my obvious attempt to push the product Pro Gold on yall per my last post.... I am not just a Pro gold owner, Im bald and have been wearing a long hair wig for as long as I can remember. :?
Please don't elaborate on where that wig is placed on your body. Inquiring minds really don't want to know.
hahahahahahahaha... so funny Bob!
I'll be blunt and honest and say what I believe. Others may feel different.
Please take what I say with a tone of love and joy and friendliness. Tone can be hard to discern in a digital format but the tone here is LOVE!
People bring gear to raves, usually it is gear they own, or are borrowing. Chris is famous for bringing gear, and almost always did. He rarely brings gear now because I think he ran out of gear :duh to bring, and most people have heard what he has brought several times.
Charles in your case everyone has heard the Arion amps several times and if anyone was going to buy them they would have already. Same goes for the Merrill amps, if any of us wanted to buy them(or could afford them) they would have bought them already.
We mentioned doing raves by invite. This is a little strange for me. I think everyone is equal and all should be invited. If you do not have the room that is another question, and mini rave is more appropriate. But if you pick or choose who can come some will be offended. We all form into clicks, by nature, by the type of music we like, by location, lots of reasons to become friends with people. So there is no easy answer to how to do it. I know I have no idea what to do. I would invite everyone to my rave. I really like Emils idea about a gift for the wife.
At my rave I used Kaplan cables, this is something i wanted to do but it also bothered me that I knew I was offending my friend Triode Pete. No offense was ever intended, but I know I would have felt a littlle slighted. Pete is a bigger man than me and handled it as a true gentleman, and I am glad to know him, a real standup guy.
I also did not want any amps at my rave, because I did not want it to be a sales opportunity,it was my rave and I wanted to play with what interested me.
Did i offend Pete and Charles and Merrill? To some degree yes.
As a host that is a sucky feeling.
Boris or Phil never allowed anyone to have that sucky feeling, in fact for the longest time I never believed Phil held raves to sell gear, I just thought he liked our company! I certainly liked his!
So I am saying as a host, when your friends become involved in the business aspect of the hobby, it takes a bit of the fun away from it, and we have to tread carefully.
Perhaps in the past you would bring a piece of gear you were using or one that was lying around. As a dealer the ONLY piece of gear you will bring is what you sell, and that limits the fun we have as audiophiles
It is fun to say a hosts system sucks or his amp sucks or whatever. It is nice to have the freedom to be honest, and when your friends are in the business you have to be quiet on certain issues.
So Charles, Pete, Merrill, as a host it hurt me to stop you from bringing your gear. I felt guilty, when I really shouldn't have to feel guilt.
In the end what i am saying is stop humpin those amps around unless someone wants to hear them, there are 30 -50 of us in the groups, certainly your business model is based on a much broader demographic.....no?
Be more audiophile and less salesman, because we are an audiophile group.
Again remember the tone. I am not trying to knock anyone just trying to express what I feel about the subject, because if the same people bring the same stuff over and over again it gets boring.
That why I like full raves, so many people eating and drinking it becomes a social event, not a sales event or opportunity, no one comes to a rave shopping for anything
Remember the tone....love
peace out
Quote from: topround on July 16, 2013, 03:51:31 PM
I'll be blunt and honest and say what I believe. Others may feel different.
Please take what I say with a tone of love and joy and friendliness. Tone can be hard to discern in a digital format but the tone here is LOVE!
People bring gear to raves, usually it is gear they own, or are borrowing. Chris is famous for bringing gear, and almost always did. He rarely brings gear now because I think he ran out of gear :duh to bring, and most people have heard what he has brought several times.
Charles in your case everyone has heard the Arion amps several times and if anyone was going to buy them they would have already. Same goes for the Merrill amps, if any of us wanted to buy them(or could afford them) they would have bought them already.
We mentioned doing raves by invite. This is a little strange for me. I think everyone is equal and all should be invited. If you do not have the room that is another question, and mini rave is more appropriate. But if you pick or choose who can come some will be offended. We all form into clicks, by nature, by the type of music we like, by location, lots of reasons to become friends with people. So there is no easy answer to how to do it. I know I have no idea what to do. I would invite everyone to my rave. I really like Emils idea about a gift for the wife.
At my rave I used Kaplan cables, this is something i wanted to do but it also bothered me that I knew I was offending my friend Triode Pete. No offense was ever intended, but I know I would have felt a littlle slighted. Pete is a bigger man than me and handled it as a true gentleman, and I am glad to know him, a real standup guy.
I also did not want any amps at my rave, because I did not want it to be a sales opportunity,it was my rave and I wanted to play with what interested me.
Did i offend Pete and Charles and Merrill? To some degree yes.
As a host that is a sucky feeling.
Boris or Phil never allowed anyone to have that sucky feeling, in fact for the longest time I never believed Phil held raves to sell gear, I just thought he liked our company! I certainly liked his!
So I am saying as a host, when your friends become involved in the business aspect of the hobby, it takes a bit of the fun away from it, and we have to tread carefully.
Perhaps in the past you would bring a piece of gear you were using or one that was lying around. As a dealer the ONLY piece of gear you will bring is what you sell, and that limits the fun we have as audiophiles
It is fun to say a hosts system sucks or his amp sucks or whatever. It is nice to have the freedom to be honest, and when your friends are in the business you have to be quiet on certain issues.
So Charles, Pete, Merrill, as a host it hurt me to stop you from bringing your gear. I felt guilty, when I really shouldn't have to feel guilt.
In the end what i am saying is stop humpin those amps around unless someone wants to hear them, there are 30 -50 of us in the groups, certainly your business model is based on a much broader demographic.....no?
Be more audiophile and less salesman, because we are an audiophile group.
Again remember the tone. I am not trying to knock anyone just trying to express what I feel about the subject, because if the same people bring the same stuff over and over again it gets boring.
That why I like full raves, so many people eating and drinking it becomes a social event, not a sales event or opportunity, no one comes to a rave shopping for anything
Remember the tone....love
peace out
Love you too, Mike!
"All you need is love"... :thumb:
QuotePeople bring gear to raves, usually it is gear they own, or are borrowing. Chris is famous for bringing gear, and almost always did. He rarely brings gear now because I think he ran out of gear to bring, and most people have heard what he has brought several times.
Mike....I ran out of room for new gear..... :duh
But it did give many a chance to hear what was out there.... :thumb:
Chris, My comments were meant as a compliment, I hope you took it that way.
My first rave you left a Butler amp and a Modwright pre.
To a newbie I was a amazed at the generosity of audiophiles.
Quote from: topround on July 17, 2013, 02:54:05 AM
Chris, My comments were meant as a compliment, I hope you took it that way.
My first rave you left a Butler amp and a Modwright pre.
To a newbie I was a amazed at the generosity of audiophiles.
Ah....it's you fault.....opened up space to buy more equipment.... to fill in that space.... :rofl:
Stay cool Mike....another hot day coming up.... :thumb: :duh
Quote from: rollo on July 16, 2013, 08:37:47 AM
Quote from: topround on July 12, 2013, 02:17:38 PM
Honestly I don't think raves are good place for Manufacturers to showcase their gear.
We have the NJ Audio Society , the NY Audiophile Society , the Connecticut Audio Society, these guys have scheduled meetings, with formats. That is where a manufacturer should send a piece for people to hear.
Raves are parties for people to eat drink and BS, manuf's are ill served if they are hoping to sell gear at a rave.
If you want to really understand a piece it has to be in your system, having everyone hear a piece in a strange system may give you an idea, and that idea may translate well into your system, or not. But you really won't know unless you try it in your system, and not with a bunch of people eating and drinking and talking all over the house.
That is my opinion, raves are parties to show off our systems, and to get everyone together and socialize, and you know what?...they are a lot of fun.
Perhaps they will come back again, I hope to do one in Sept or October, and it will be vinyl and PC audio only
First let me start off with I agree 100% that Raves are a social event more than a critical listening event. Yes they are lots of fun.
I think the problem got down to WHO was going to bring gear. Clicks began to form and personalities just got in the way.
As an original Raver I started going when Levi would host it was a gas. I believe Boris of Vista fame and Phil were the only Manf/dealer involved. They demonstrated their gear with no issues. As the Rave grew and more attended some were manfs/dealers. Some were Ravers before they were Manf/dealers. So all of a sudden they have agendas to sell their wares to other Ravers. I don't think so. If they did it was at a VG price.
On a personal note we have built our business around home demo. That is what we do. Showing at Raves is a nice courtesy extended to its Ravers by hosts. It is not about sales it is about exposing new gear to our fellow Ravers.
In the future the host should determine who/what will be there. If one wants to help a friend demo their wares great. If we just enjoy the system at hand great.
Having a good time is the key not selling gear. When we came to your last Rave four dealer/manf were there. Slagle, Kaplan, Wes and GTAudio Works. You even did a cable demo. Hey no problem for me Kaplans' cables were a pleasure to hear.
We can all get along and Rave away we just need hosts.
charles
Talking from just the "Rave" angle, I'd have NO problem with whomever demos his/her gear. Yes, the venue may not be good enough for the manufacturer. But, since he/she is so gracefully willing to be there, one should greet him/her with open arms. Why be critical. We know our raves are social events, and so it is not so good as a place to demo, not being able to show the gear at its best. So what? I'd go to a dealer's showroom, and I don't think I'd get optimal sound either. Some dealers' places I sometimes don't like either. May be it's me, and not the gear!?
We darn well know raves are social events more than anything else. Let's just stop "imagining" the negatives :drool:. Let's just use the motto - A fine time is guaranteed for all, Y'all!!!!!!!!!!! :yay2: :rofl: :lol: :beer: aa
My understanding of a Rave was "all inclusive". however due to its popularity the crowd has grown. large crowds need large homes. feeding 40+ lunch and dinner can get expensive.
Invite only is not "Rave" style. An RSVP is not asking to much as food needs to be ordered.
As far as gear swaps. Back in the good Ole rave days we changed components like socks. Actually did not care for all the changes so often. Never really got a chance to evaluate anything.
I remember my Rave when Mike was promoting his DIY genius. Blew up my AR amp changing it out. No problem just a fuse. Most of the gear brought were personal pieces with an occasional manf.
Barry features Gallo and Tommys' Cherry Amps. Glad he did a nice demo. Zu, Melody and so on.
If manufactures or dealers bring gear it should be cleared with the host first. Then the manf. for concerns of synergy.
I was not insulted when GTAudio works was the main attraction. The Arions have a wonderfull synergy with them. GTAudio Works desired their use. Especially now that it is set up properly. I was demonstrating them with the wrong gain setting. The Duelund CAST caps have transformed the amps. Yes at $7500 not for all however a listening experience never hurt anyone.
The Rave is a great concept. Fun for all, drink, eat and talk audio stuff is priceless.
Let's get back to the good old days and just have fun.
charles
Well, as a newbie to the group I have to say I've enjoyed the two Raves I've attended, both at Mike's place, and appreciated the feedback on the preamps I brought to each, the modded Supratek the first time and the "from scratch" 26 the second time. I also highly enjoyed the socializing with all! I have no inclination toward selling stuff, only to get others' opinions on the stuff I build - it's strictly a hobby to me.
Being a newb to the group, I hope I can be included in some of the future gatherings if they go to invitation-only. Once my 833C SETs are finished I'll host a Rave as I have room for people, and of course look for feedback on those new DIY amps as well! Taking too long to get my OPTs, but that's another story...
Oct 19th the week after RMAF.
RM 200 amp
Custom made LR phono pre with Slagle iron built by Karl( the guy who blows up amps)
this phono pre will be balanced driving the rm 200 directly with passive attenuators
A linestage will be on hand as well because I would like to run a computer audio based source.
No cd's please they sound aweful compared to the computer.
Sounds interesting cool.
charles
Quote from: topround on July 21, 2013, 06:11:54 PM
Oct 19th the week after RMAF.............
Incidentally, who's going to RMAF this Oct.? :rofl: