groundenhancers

[TooManyToys]

Oh, well hummmmm ..... if it's France, then two dollars. 





Two dollars would cover the cost of shipping, but honesty, any auto or auto electronics shop would probably give the length of wire to him for free.

[evan1]

Oui ,Oui

[BobM]

Got mine yesterday and put them on. Now my amp is balanced and my preamp inverts, so I put them on the + speaker terminals. I tried them quickly on the - but it seemed to sound just a little better on the +. Definitely a huge difference over not having them on at all.

Yes, they perked up the details and spaciousness quite a bit. The top end is now too bright and a tad hard, but it seemed to smooth out a bit after 3-4 hours of play. There's still more to go. If it doesn't calm down in another day I'm going to try the following.

Leave one pair on the woofer connections to the speaker and move the tweeter pair to the back of the amp.

We'll see.

[evan1]

Got mine yesterday and put them on. Now my amp is balanced and my preamp inverts, so I put them on the + speaker terminals. I tried them quickly on the - but it seemed to sound just a little better on the +. Definitely a huge difference over not having them on at all.

Yes, they perked up the details and spaciousness quite a bit. The top end is now too bright and a tad hard, but it seemed to smooth out a bit after 3-4 hours of play. There's still more to go. If it doesn't calm down in another day I'm going to try the following.

Leave one pair on the woofer connections to the speaker and move the tweeter pair to the back of the amp.

We'll see.

I had the opposite results due to the inversion. On the + side I lost all detail and had better results on the neg side

[shep]

It's possible somewhere in the chain, phase is reversed, which would explain why + sounds better in some cases? It's the kind of thing that's really hard to track down. I once had a pair of Proac tablets that sounded totally weird. I finally opened them and found one mid was out of phase with the other.

[richidoo]

On a single ended amp the negative should sound better. Bob's amp is balanced.

[Phil]

Yes, they perked up the details and spaciousness quite a bit. The top end is now too bright and a tad hard, but it seemed to smooth out a bit after 3-4 hours of play. There's still more to go. If it doesn't calm down in another day I'm going to try the following.

Leave one pair on the woofer connections to the speaker and move the tweeter pair to the back of the amp.

Bob,
My thought exactly.  Previosly, I tried two different filters on my speakers and both sounded very different on the amp side.  The sounds seems to be cycling a bit (over time) between good and bad.  In previous break in cycles with other devices, this was typical.  And often a more permanent change followed the worst sound for that particular filter.  Interesting stuff these tweaks. 

Phil

[evan1]

Yes, they perked up the details and spaciousness quite a bit. The top end is now too bright and a tad hard, but it seemed to smooth out a bit after 3-4 hours of play. There's still more to go. If it doesn't calm down in another day I'm going to try the following.

Leave one pair on the woofer connections to the speaker and move the tweeter pair to the back of the amp.

Bob,
My thought exactly.  Previosly, I tried two different filters on my speakers and both sounded very different on the amp side.  The sounds seems to be cycling a bit (over time) between good and bad.  In previous break in cycles with other devices, this was typical.  And often a more permanent change followed the worst sound for that particular filter.  Interesting stuff these tweaks. 

Phil

Ok  I think I may be the first to bow out. Harshness returned and I just removed them from my system. There seems to be a roller coaster effect with these

[Phil]

Evan,

Do you know how long you had them in your system?  And did you try them on the amp side?

There is a cycling break in.  But does it end?  Man, I'm getting impatient with this stuff in my dotage 


Phil

[evan1]

Evan,

Do you know how long you had them in your system?  And did you try them on the amp side?

There is a cycling break in.  But does it end?  Man, I'm getting impatient with this stuff in my dotage 


Phil

Got them on the 5th.I haven't tried them on my amp yet, I may. Had other speaker issues going on and these seemed to be the culprit.

[bacobits]

Just got them today.

No issues here (yet). They sound very very nice. More presence and depth, top to bottom.
I have them on the - speaker terminals using a banana jack.

Only in the system for a couple hours, so we'll see.


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[evan1]

Just got them today.

No issues here (yet). They sound very very nice. More presence and depth, top to bottom.
I have them on the - speaker terminals using a banana jack.

Only in the system for a couple hours, so we'll see.


D

keep us posted . I had mine in for 3 weeks and then they went down hill.

[bacobits]

I will. That is real interesting. Why would they go down hill?
Oh well Why do they work at all in the first place?
Crazy sheeet.

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[richidoo]

Maybe your electron tank has a leak.   

[bacobits]

Damn, hang  on I gotta go check that.

Hmmmm

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