why do some systems need higher volume settings to sound good

Started by Nick B, May 16, 2026, 11:28:06 PM

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Nick B

Quote from: P.I. on May 24, 2026, 08:10:04 PMI've had systems that were TFL at 10:00 and others at 3:00.  It's a function of speaker sensitivity, preamp gain and power amp input sensitivity.  Whatever.

It matters not where the volume control is set.  It is just the representation of the overall system sensitivity/gain/sensitivity equation.

I had a system with a passive "preamp" that sounded awesome at 3:00 and not so much at noon.  We need to feed our systems what they want.

Thanks, Dave. Passive sounds crappy with the Hattor. Either the 6 or 9dB setting on it are fine.

I have never looked specifically for high sensitivity speakers. Maybe one of these days I will. But the JMR is a great speaker and I have a good chunk of change invested in it.

As it's the best sound I've ever had, I have little to complain about 👍
Erhard Elvis Mk II tube amp
Hattor Big preamp
JMR Voce Grande speakers
Holo Cyan2 dac
Holo Red streamer
Spiritual Sound loom
TWL Digital American II p cords
Custom power cords
JPLAY, HQ Player, Tidal, Qobuz
PI Audio UberBUSS

Jack

Nick

Where do you have the gain control on the Elvis set?  Holger recommended to me to set it at 12 o'clock and raise or lower the gain setting on the preamp to compensate.  The actual number on the preamp display is really irrelevant as you're looking for the best sound with the lowest noise. What that 12 o'clock setting on the Elvis actually makes the input sensitivity I don't know but I took his advice and have it set there at least during breakin.
JVC QL-Y7 w/ Denon DL-301 Mk II
Vista Phono II Mk II
Jays Audio CDT3 Mk III
Aric Audio Motherlode XL
Erhard Elvis
Aqua La Scala Mk3
Auralic Aries G2.2
Verity Arindal
(4) Rythmik F12SE
(2) Kinki Tai-Hangs
Veritas I2S USB AES IC's & SC's
Veritas & TWL PC's

Nick B

Quote from: Jack on May 24, 2026, 09:30:50 PMNick

Where do you have the gain control on the Elvis set?  Holger recommended to me to set it at 12 o'clock and raise or lower the gain setting on the preamp to compensate.  The actual number on the preamp display is really irrelevant as you're looking for the best sound with the lowest noise. What that 12 o'clock setting on the Elvis actually makes the input sensitivity I don't know but I took his advice and have it set there at least during breakin.

Jack,

I have always had the gain control at maximum. I thought that would  provide the best performance and lowest noise. My system is very low noise as is. But I will play with the game control starting at the 12 o'clock position and see what happens.
Erhard Elvis Mk II tube amp
Hattor Big preamp
JMR Voce Grande speakers
Holo Cyan2 dac
Holo Red streamer
Spiritual Sound loom
TWL Digital American II p cords
Custom power cords
JPLAY, HQ Player, Tidal, Qobuz
PI Audio UberBUSS

Jack

If at the maximum setting you don't hear any tube rush then you're OK but if so I would back it down and increase the Hattor's gain to it's maximum setting. 
JVC QL-Y7 w/ Denon DL-301 Mk II
Vista Phono II Mk II
Jays Audio CDT3 Mk III
Aric Audio Motherlode XL
Erhard Elvis
Aqua La Scala Mk3
Auralic Aries G2.2
Verity Arindal
(4) Rythmik F12SE
(2) Kinki Tai-Hangs
Veritas I2S USB AES IC's & SC's
Veritas & TWL PC's