:rofl:
Something's brewing in Staten Island
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsGTdFeBYiU&feature=related
Quote from: evan1 on July 03, 2011, 06:43:38 AM
:rofl:
Something brewing in Staten Island
...and I betcha it's not just coffee!
Hasta Luego!
Got a feeling I am going to enjoy a cup of this Java. Keep us posted.
Listening to some Carpenters now through their bigger brothers the ML3's and this Truth thingy I got:
http://www.thehornshoppe.com/the_truth_pre_amp.html
The truth is a pretty amazing piece of gear - highly recommended.
Thanks
Bill
Pics are in my gallery labeled lenehan ML1.Can't post them in the thread for some reason We had a little shootout and was allowed to have a few guests so please do not be insulted. I think all the speakers performed very well considering their size. Well almost,Bob's Accapella's were tossed out of the house.
The Line up was
Lenehan ML1 :thumb:
Fritz Carbon 7 :)
Episode 700 :D
Accapella's ? :duh only kidding. I personally did not hear these as I was outside for a short time... A very short time.
More to come
:thumb:
I see you Bhobba (Bill). I know what your waiting for. Got to clean up the house before the misses wakes up. We partied until Midnight. :rofl:
The Lenehan ML1 is great little speaker. Sparkling highs , cymbals shimmer and the mids have layers of texture. Vocals stand out nicely without overpowering the rest of the music.Lots of presence. Being a small speaker with a 5.5 inch woofer obviously doesn't give you the slam a tower speaker would but it is tight and realistic sounding, drums sound like drums. I'm sure a nice sub would be a great addition to these speakers. Very enjoyable to listen to. we threw everything at them from classical to rock and they did not dissapoint.We had them set up in the livingroom which is roughly 16x22 and they filled the room with no probelm.Towards the end of the evening we moved them downstairs to my listening room in which being smaller gave them a little more bass impact. I would love to hear the larger version of these someday.(hint,hint).
Fit and finish are top notch. The cabinet is some type of composite material . At first glance they look black but when you hit them in the right light they are a beautiful Eggplant color with a sparkle to them. Very heavy for the size. You can see a rendering of the guts on their website.
I'm sure other people will chime in later.I'm going to do some more listening :duh Cats out ,they are still in my possesion :thumb:
Will keep this mostly about the Lenehans but I want to say that the Episode 700 were a suprise. Nice musical speaker. Inexpensive. Great for a spare room.
I put new tubes in Dee's pre because the ones he had in there were microphonic and I couldn't listen to it. It's been here for months and I never used it until yesterday. Nice tone. We mostly used Karls pre. Very expensive parts . Not sure which? maybe Bob or Pete will chime in about his Pre and DAC. The minimax DAC was very nice and I liked it with the tube mode versus the SS mode.
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?action=mgallery;sa=album;id=93
Link to gallery above :thumb:
Thanks Rich
Hi Guys
Great you like the ML1's. I will show this to Mike and its likely he will chime in with a few technical details straight from the horses mouth. But I can tell you what they are built from is standard MDF but lined with steel - which is why they weigh a bomb. This is why I am really grateful to Chris for lugging them around. The color is called Radiant Ebony and is nearly black but with just enough difference to make it a nice discussion point.
Don't worry guys things are afoot to get you the larger ones - both the ML2's and ML3's.
Hope some others can chime in with what they thought.
Thanks
Bill
The ML1's definitely play above their size. They sounded far bigger than they look, and yes, they are hefty. In my opinion they are very transparent to the source and we definitely heard shortcomings in the source until the better DAC's were inserted. They had nice punchy bass, but I do wish I could hear their big brothers. I think they will need to be paired with a sub for a room as large as Evan's. That tweeter is very nice indeed.
The Fritz Carbon's were the polar opposite of the ML1's, being a bit darker and warmer and much more forgiving and laid back. Mike's episode 700's were very nice too, and a bit of a surprise to me at how nice they sounded overall. The Clements bookshelf speakers I brought over were outclassed completely, sounding disjointed and rough, but then I kind of expected that since they were priced way lower than the others and not billed as "Audiophile". In fact Evan's original Cambridge speakers sounded better.
As for Carl's DAC's, it was a way overbuilt design using 4 NOS DAC's and a beefy power supply filled with boutique parts. Carl can provide the details, I'm sure. The Minimax was also very nice, being a bit more detailed than Carl's NOS DAC. I do like that it can be switched between tube and solid state, one sounding better on one set of speakers and the other better on another. It was pretty neat that of all these small speakers there was such a variety of different sounds coming from them. No two sounded alike (and I bet you thought designers were all shooting for the same goal of accurate sound - nah).
We also heard Joe's system, where Carl's preamp added a nice additional warmth and texture to the sound, although Joe's preamp is no slouch either. Very nice and enjoyable sound - something I could listen to forever.
Bob
Evan,
Thanks for hosting a fun listening session. Great to finally meet DeePak (Shadowlight) & Mike (mfsoa).
Yeah, Carl's 6sn7 based preamp (with 274B rectification), which is transformer-coupled with Tango output trannies and a Tango choke, sounded very nice. Also, his 12AU7 based DAC (very big chassis) sounded very musical as well.
He also performed some "cap surgery" next door (literally) on Joe's (jbtrio) gorgeous Supratek preamp, substituting some oil-filled V-Caps in there... Joe - your Nervosa is really perking!
'Till next time, audios!
Pete
PS - Happy Independence Day to all!
Well sounds like I missed a great day. Family graduation and Birthday parties , oh well next time. No surprise to me the results. The ML-1s perform way above their size. I hear the deicated stands from Lenehan improve the performance even further oh my.
charles
Sounds like a great get together. I'd love to hear the little Lenehans sometime.
Bryan
Nice pics!! Compliments to the decorator Evan, you have a beautiful house.
Quote from: richidoo on July 04, 2011, 09:54:12 AM
Nice pics!! Compliments to the decorator Evan, you have a beautiful house.
Thanks
I'll Tell my wife
It's a 1600 sq ft Townehouse a little small for big raves . But being it's just me and the misses we don't need anything larger
Evan, Thanks very much for having a small handful over to hear the Lenehans.
Not much to add onto what others said re the Lenehans - Clear, clean, pure, open, yet for me absolutely subwoofer is a must. Gorgeous cabinetry on the outside and very heavy for their size. A very revealing speaker that in the right hands will sound otherworldly good, but also has the potential to be too revealing of a bad source. I would not want to listen to bad cd through bad SS gear. It's a small tribute to the Digital Amp Co Cherry JR that even though it's a Class D amp, the Lenehans sounded glorious with it, when the right source (EE DAC but to a greater extent Carl's DAC) and pre (Carl again - see a pattern here?).
Thanks to Mr. Lenehan for the chance to hear and see his fine speaker.
The Fritz Carbons, as already said, were at the opposite end of the detail/forgiveness spectrum, glossing over detail that the Lenehans handled with grace and control. Better to gloss over it than to get it wrong, no? But the Carbons were a very pleasant listen, for sure, but might want a different source to sound their best. But isn't that always the case... Thanks to Mr. Fritz (??) for making this pair available.
I brought my little Episode 700 monitors so I'm biased, but dayum if they don't punch above their weight. They manage to have an engaging presence without being exaggerated in any narrow, obvious area. I'm glad others liked this speaker's performance/price ratio - It's good to be agreed with sometimes!
One last thank you to Audio Video Synergy for the loan of the speaker stands. Yup, a shameless plug for my brother's shop but hey, any dealer that loans gear for these events deserves a legitimate, public thank-you, relative or not.
Only 55 minutes back to my place, at a pretty mellow pace, after raving for 11 hours (1PM to midnight :shock:)
All in all a good day!
-Mike
Thanks Evan.
Thank you Evan for hosting yesterdays speaker comparison (mini rave) and the photos......
....I had a great time. :thumb:
And that cake ....it was very good....(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/befje/smileys%203/bf-mesvorksmiley.gif)
Once again ....I was stuffed on July 3rd..... :rofl:
As has been mentioned by the Ravers posts....a variety of speakers...monitors all....different price points.....different features....depends which "sound" your looking for.....and what equipment your using.
All performed well....but...I did miss the Clements bookshelf speakers....they were gone in a flash... :?
Carl's DAC and preamp ....nice stuff....really turned things up a notch. 8)
And it was good to hear Mike's EE DAC again.....and thank your brother for the stands and the Episode 700 monitors... :thumb:
Good power from the Cherry amp....and a nice time listening late night in Evan's mancave/audio room.
Not much (road) traffic after midnight.....home in a flash.
Thanks again guys......good to see you all.... :beer:
Did anyone compare the ML1's to Evan's Aether audio monitors or my ATC's that are living at Joe's for the present?
Jim
Hi Guys
First I want to thank Evan for making his home available to hear all the fine speakers available that day. And indeed Chris is correct - there is no winner in such comparisons. And, although it has been mentioned before a special thanks to Chris for lugging these heavy beasts around. Chris, my friend, you are a very special person and an adornment to the audiophile fraternity.
And, as everyone has said, while they produce excellent bass for their size, since they only go down to 50hz or so, a subwoffer will obviously be the go to hear the lower notes.
Lenehan Audio is a small outfit and don't spend much on advertising, going to trade shows like RMAF etc. They rely on enthusiats like me and you guys to spread the word - which is why I sent my pair over. Fortunately though, similar to the ML1's, both of their bigger brothers, the ML2's and ML3's, are on the way over anyway to Eric for his in house reference system. They are my speakers but Eric has indicated he wanted to check them out for his reference system. Normally that would not be possible due to the horrendous shipping cost of such heavy speakers but after a bit of investigation Mike has found a much cheaper way of transporting them - so cheap in fact it will cost virtually nothing to get them to the US - so over to Eric they will be going. But because of this, similar to the ML1's, I will get them to make a stopover so you guys can hear both these speakers. They will solve the bass issue - the ML2's are flat to 30hz - the ML3's are flat to 25hz.
Oh and Rollo is correct - the dedicated stands make a significant difference. I am thinking of doing a separate post about it but the skinny is they have a pendulum like the pendulum in a tower to damp resonances. It is virtually night and day the difference between when they are disengaged by putting some blocks of wood under them and when it is removed. Everything improves - bass, imaging, midrange - I really can't think of what does not improve. Normally they would also be too heavy to transport at a reasonable price, but now that has been solved they will be on the way over as well.
I am heading on down to Lenehan Audio today for another reason and I am sure Mike will be chuffed with what you found and it is quite probable he will chime in as well.
Thanks
Bill
Quote from: hogg on July 04, 2011, 06:49:55 PMDid anyone compare the ML1's to Evan's Aether audio monitors or my ATC's that are living at Joe's for the present?
If no one compared them to his AA speakers don't worry. I have a pair on their way over here in Aus and they will be compared to all the Lenehan gear. I know Mike, like me, is impressed with what Bob Smith does and is really looking forward to hearing them and how they compare to his gear.
Thanks
Bill
Quote from: hogg on July 04, 2011, 06:49:55 PM
Did anyone compare the ML1's to Evan's Aether audio monitors or my ATC's that are living at Joe's for the present?
Jim
Jim...
We did a brief comparison (upstairs)....Evan will be doing a comparison this week in his audio room with the ML-1's and his Aether Audio Spirit 1's.
And Joe might check them out in his system... 8)
Quote from: lonewolfny42 on July 03, 2011, 07:01:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsGTdFeBYiU&feature=related
Just saw it, Chris. Is that how to brew coffee? No wonder my coffee has been lousy over the years. You don't even need hot water. You sure learn something every day. :duh
I was impressed with the ML1s. They offered a very transparent sound with great spacial ambiance and dimension, without presenting laser etched imaging which I find fake and distracting. I felt they had adequate bass in Evan's down stairs listening room where they took good advantage of the boundary reinforcement, but up stairs in his larger living space some low frequency augmentation would have been nice.
Quote from: bhobba on July 04, 2011, 06:55:12 PM
Normally that would not be possible due to the horrendous shipping cost of such heavy speakers but after a bit of investigation Mike has found a much cheaper way of transporting them - so cheap in fact it will cost virtually nothing to get them to the US - so over to Eric they will be going.
Bill
I love it. Speaker Mules. Customs will never think of it.Bit hard to swallow but I think you on to something :rofl:
Some Lenehan Audio Pictures
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=album;id=7353
Note in the crossovers all coils are hand wound air coils - no PCB's are used - everything is cold welded. Mike is the only manufacturer that uses Duelund capacitors at that price point.
Thanks
Bill
Quote from: hogg on July 04, 2011, 06:49:55 PM
Did anyone compare the ML1's to Evan's Aether audio monitors or my ATC's that are living at Joe's for the present?
Jim
Didn't know the ATC's were living at Joe's. I guess the guy doesn't like to share. :rofl:
Right now I am listening to a demo disc that Bob had given me. It's track 2 and I believe I am listening to a clarinet. They come to eat, drink and listen and I can't even get a track listing :duh I am going back and forth between the ML1's and the Spirit 1's and I would say that the ML1 has more detail but lacking the ability to give the lower bass regions that the Spirit 1 can deliver. I can hear the musician breath
into the reed and hear the vibration on both but the Spirit 1 handles it with more meat on the bone. The ML1's high end seems to sparkle more than the Spirit 1.
Like Bill mentioned in a previous post, there is no winners here just two different presentations. I like them both. Now if the ML2 has the combination of both then put me down for a pair :thumb:
NY Rave 2007 disc track 3. In the words of Rollo ,"OH MY" :drool:. I wonder if I can squeeze the Spirit 1's into the flight cases. Do you think anyone would notice ? :thumb:
Quote from: evan1 on July 08, 2011, 01:06:39 PM
Right now I am listening to a demo disc that Bob had given me. It's track 2 and I believe I am listening to a clarinet.Boy they come to eat, drink and listen and I can't even get a track listing :duh
OK crybaby - I just sent you the listing. (hope you like it)
Quote from: BobM on July 08, 2011, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: evan1 on July 08, 2011, 01:06:39 PM
Right now I am listening to a demo disc that Bob had given me. It's track 2 and I believe I am listening to a clarinet.Boy they come to eat, drink and listen and I can't even get a track listing :duh
OK crybaby - I just sent you the listing. (hope you like it)
Embarrassment works all the time :rofl:. Only busting your chops . It's a great mix you made. :thumb:
Did anyone notice the use of brass screws to hold the drivers in place ? I better stop ,I may be called a schill :thumb:
Hi Guys
What you found comparing it to the Spirit is exactly what I would expect. Mikes speakers are lined with steel and the version you have has Duelund VSF Copper capacitors which cost about $500 each but are simply the best and are very quick, neutral, accurate and transparent. This is Mikes full on all out build and is why it is called the Reference - and has a price to match unfortunately. But being a 5 inch driver will obviously not go as low and of course the Spirit's will easily best it that way. The ML2's will do that and is in every way a better speaker than the ML1's and I think will give you the best of both worlds.
Don't worry about being thought a shill - I am enthusiastic about both Mike's and Bob Smith's speakers and people have accused me of that before. Most however understand you are simply an enthusiast talking about well - your enthusiasm.
I was actually down at Mikes yesterday hearing some new secret stuff and we were also discussing the ML2 that is being built for me and I will send out to you guys. I am very fortunate in I have a lot of superannuation cash right now and so regardless of the price I get the full all out Reference version anyway. However I think not many are in that fortunate position so I was thinking of getting a slightly lesser ML2 out for you to hear without the hellishly expensive Duelund's. The version I was thinking of is what is called the Plus R which normally uses Mundorf Silver In Oil as a bypass - with bypassing you get about 90% of the performance of the capacitor you bypass with. However I am not a big fan of those capacitors and want it bypassed with Duelunds - being of smaller value they are a lot cheaper. Doing that should get you 90% of the Duelunds performance at a much cheaper cost. How do you guys feel about that? If no one wants to buy it I can get it upgraded to the full Duelunds later.
Thanks
Bill
Quote from: evan1 on July 08, 2011, 01:40:08 PMDid anyone notice the use of brass screws to hold the drivers in place ? I better stop ,I may be called a schill :thumb:
Interesting you bring that up. I noticed them as well and asked Mike about it - get this - they sound better. I thought no way - but Mike is adamant they do.
Thanks
Bill
Quote from: bhobba on July 08, 2011, 07:18:52 PM
Quote from: evan1 on July 08, 2011, 01:40:08 PMDid anyone notice the use of brass screws to hold the drivers in place ? I better stop ,I may be called a schill :thumb:
Interesting you bring that up. I noticed them as well and asked Mike about it - get this - they sound better. I thought no way - but Mike is adamant they do.
Thanks
Bill
They do...
Brass screws....a tweak that dates back to 2007-2008.
Here's a video... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmETcjcWdg) :thumb:
Quote from: lonewolfny42 on July 08, 2011, 08:00:37 PM
They do...Brass screws....a tweak that dates back to 2007-2008. Here's a video... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibmETcjcWdg) :thumb:
Well I will stand *expletive*. I generally trust Mike but thought this was a bit too far out there.
Thanks
Bill
Quote from: bhobba on July 08, 2011, 07:18:52 PM
Quote from: evan1 on July 08, 2011, 01:40:08 PMDid anyone notice the use of brass screws to hold the drivers in place ? I better stop ,I may be called a schill :thumb:
Interesting you bring that up. I noticed them as well and asked Mike about it - get this - they sound better. I thought no way - but Mike is adamant they do.
Thanks
Bill
One time someone told me some audiophile (no kidding!) found that by placing a coin off the front edge atop the speaker makes a difference. I haven't experimented yet, as I don't remember what coin is required (Canadian, American....), what size..... Something to experiment with :rofl:. Brass screws "resonate" better :lol:???
No disrespect toward anyone intended, just a wisecrack. :drool:
Certainly the way the ML1s dealt with acoustic guitar was breathtaking-
No sense of energy storage-then-release from the box at all.
No sense of dynamic or transient compression.
That old "clear window" thing, if the gear driving them is up to it...
Stay tuned, I have a surprise coming in a little bit :drool:
Quote from: evan1 on July 09, 2011, 07:47:15 AM
Stay tuned, I have a surprise coming in a little bit :drool:
The surprise is you sold the Spirit and purchase the ML1's :rofl:
Quote from: shadowlight on July 09, 2011, 08:08:44 AM
Quote from: evan1 on July 09, 2011, 07:47:15 AM
Stay tuned, I have a surprise coming in a little bit :drool:
The surprise is you sold the Spirit and purchase the ML1's :rofl:
Nope. Have to hear the ML2 first :thumb:
Here you go....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkd7Gzd0j2I
Wow. Loved it.
I also sent some cables over and from the pictures I thought you had them there. Did you get a chance to try them? I could post stuff about them but my long winded posts about things I have picked up such as Duelunds etc is probably getting a bit boring. Much better to hear what you think of them.
Thanks
Bill
Chris still has the cables. He was going to leave them but I didn't want to go through the hassle of pulling the components out of the rack. It's tight back there so I didn't want to mess the cables up. I'm sure Chris is breaking them in. We didn't get to demo them. I think we used 1 interconnect as a digital cable for the DAC. Go ahead and post about them .
Quote from: evan1 on July 09, 2011, 08:23:32 AMNope. Have to hear the ML2 first :thumb:
Good idea. I have heard the ML1 Reference you got compared to a base model ML3 - they are about the same price. The base ML3 kills the ML1 in most circumstances. The ML2 is closer to the ML3's than the ML1. I suspect the ML2 version I will be getting out to you will similarly kill the ML1 Reference and be a bit cheaper to boot. There are some circumstances however such as near field monitoring where the ML1 is the better choice and also if you need a portable system like Eric Hider does.
Thanks
Bill
Well let me just say this about the cables. Nothing out our way touches them and all sorts of stuff has been tried. The standard demo Mike does is some ridiculously priced $10K cables he has is demoed blind against his cables. He even does the trick of saying he changed the cables and didn't. Its a joke - Mikes cables kills them. Before hearing these cables the first time I visited Mike about a year ago I was a cable skeptic. That changed very quickly. My sister was with me that day and she knows nothing about Hi Fi - even she was surprised. Basically they add 'life' and realism. I remember calling into a local Hi Fi store that had a sale on and they let me check out some top of the line Van Der Hull - it robbed life and made the music, for want of a better word, sound 'brown' - like a blanket had been placed over the speakers.
Thanks
Bill
Evan..next time you plan on making a video, take your meds first...Your Parkinson was acting up man. :lol:
But amazingly the sound was quite good, I could hear the tinkley treble and the bass was nicely produced.
:thumb:
Thanks Martin. I was going to use my tripod but I'm missing the part that screws into the bottom of the camera. Any way I think I have come up with a better way to capture the sound with less hiss. Stay tuned I have 1 more video on the way :thumb:
OK here it is . I couldn't fix the sound. Last video as my wife has just come home and I think she likes the video camera idea :drool: :rofl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0spVt5_c64&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Just noticed this review was posted yesterday on Audiophilia about the Lenehan Tune Stands for the ML1
http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/?p=6170#more-6170
(http://www.audiophilia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/tunestand.jpg)
Lenehan Tune Stands for the ML1.... 8)
Thanks for the video's Evan... 8)
As for the cables.... I'm checking them out here...letting them "burn in" for a bit...they are well built.
Quote from: lonewolfny42 on July 09, 2011, 06:10:20 PMAs for the cables.... I'm checking them out here...letting them "burn in" for a bit...they are well built.
Hi Chris
Great to hear and look forward to your impressions. Trouble with being in Aus we don't have access to the stuff you do. There are some cables out your way I suspect will be stiff competition such as Reality cables.
Thanks
Bill
You need to sit a Barbie doll on that speaker stand swing Chris. :D
Hi Guys
First check out:
http://www.audionervosa.com/index.php?topic=3228.msg39863#msg39863
Here is what the go now is. You guys can keep the ML1's until the ML2's arrive or until Eric jumps up and down and wants them then they will be sent out to Eric. You can use them for meets etc and have them in in-home auditions. When that is over it will be off to people elsewhere in the US to check out.
Thanks
Bill