You know what grinds my gears?

[Werd]

give the high horse a rest

No shut downs! People say what they want here.

boogie woogie woogie. Gooby booby. Boogie oogie oogie woogie. Gooby Gooby.   

[_Scotty_]

Werd, What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Scotty

[rollo]

  Free audio gear for all it is our right. Free everything oh my !!!
  It sounds like sour grapes to me. Read ALL reviews with a grain of salt. did not Momma teach y'all to not believe everything you read. Hands on experience is the tell all not a review. But but I cannot afford to hear it so I am screwed by those wealthy people who can and I'm so upset.  
  What grinds my gears are people who do not get it . Keep spending money and go sideways. It is all about tonality and harmonics however most do not know what say a "D" note on a piano sounds like. Train ones ears with live unamplified music and it becomes easier to buy the right gear at the right price.
  The other is when some always think that Manf's are devious or criminal with their pricing. There is no agenda to rip people off. They put a price tag on the product and hope to make sales. If not they lower the price as the market demands. If people are buying a Tara cable for $18K why change. If it worth it to buyer who is anyone to question that.
   Time to move on thanks Sarafat.

charles

[rollo]

give the high horse a rest

No shut downs! People say what they want here.

boogie woogie woogie. Gooby booby. Boogie oogie oogie woogie. Gooby Gooby.   

  You tell em Werd. 

charles

[machinehead]

Everything needs to be free! Because if its not free its held in some kind of evil bondage! Free the Wilson speakers and deliver them unto me!!!
And free threshold delivery for all!!!! It is our human right!

[richidoo]

boogie woogie woogie. Gooby booby. Boogie oogie oogie woogie. Gooby Gooby.   

[Werd]

Everything needs to be free! Because if its not free its held in some kind of evil bondage! Free the Wilson speakers and deliver them unto me!!!
And free threshold delivery for all!!!! It is our human right!

"Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing or do nothing I want to be free. Free as the wind"

FZ

http://youtu.be/KTHjyHB0SPk

[Werd]

You guys remember when I got restricted from AC by JohnR cuz I was using FZ quotes reaponding  to JohnR on a FZ appreciation thread?  that was awesome.

[tmazz]

You guys remember when I got restricted from AC by JohnR cuz I was using FZ quotes reaponding  to JohnR on a FZ appreciation thread?  that was awesome.

I have never been an AC user, but I do find it somewhat amusing that so many people consider getting restricted or banned from AC as a badge of honor. 

[Werd]

You guys remember when I got restricted from AC by JohnR cuz I was using FZ quotes reaponding  to JohnR on a FZ appreciation thread?   that was awesome.

I have never been an AC user, but I do find it somewhat amusing that so many people consider getting restricted or banned from AC as a badge of honor.  

haha you were on there. He binned the thread once he realized it was an FZ thread and what was going on?

[topround]

Werd, this type of thread would have NO chance of being allowed on audiocircle.

I still put forward that the $4100 power cord exists because of our insecurities.
Even if you are wealthy you must know that you are being ripped off.
Not being wealthy I guess I do not understand the mindset of a rich person, do they feel that since they have the money they can just waste it? Do they not know they are being ripped off, or because they have money it OK?

Why do we mortals see that the price is ludicrous and the rich sees it as fair?
Reality for one cannot be different for another? NO?

Does the fact that one can afford to buy that 4100 power cord make it OK?
These questions seem to go over Rollo's head, being sort of philosophical I know they go outside the norm, but what we are talking about is what grinds peoples gears....and while it may be difficult to explain, reducing it to class warfare or jealousy sort of misses the point by a large degree if you ask me.

Like an onion there are layers to this question.

I believe everyone here is beyond audio 101, they have been around the block and have amassed a level of experience that allows them to understand a little deeper. We all know that it is complicated, and that synergy is required to make it all work, regardless of price.
We all know what a piano sounds like and we all know that we are listening to recordings that were recorded in studios, microphones, and mixers and amps and processing and wires all thrown in to make it even less live than we care for, not live music.

I consider everyone here advanced audiophiles, no one here needs any schooling as to what is the right way or the wrong way, or how to hear or listen. We have all bought and sold gear, played with cables and tubes and tweaks.
But something about this hobby is grinding our gears, and not just one or two of us, but if anything can be discerned from the comments in this thread is that there IS something wrong. More than likely several things are wrong, pricing just being one of them.

Like when the govt tells us unemployment is down!  Hurray we all cheer, but in reality we know that is not the whole truth.

so I ask you not to chew on anything, but to dwell on it and think about it.

[topround]

Werd,
Those Nolas are great speakers.  yummy alnico

heard the metros last year with alnico at the NY show, best of show for me.
Big open and delicious, I want a pair

[richidoo]

Posts about politics and class deleted.

[Werd]

Werd,
Those Nolas are great speakers.  yummy alnico

heard the metros last year with alnico at the NY show, best of show for me.
Big open and delicious, I want a pair

Thanks! Yah I know they are that. Outboard mid and tweet Xovers too.

[tmazz]

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No, it exists because enough people out there think it is worth $4100, for whatever reason.[/color]

Even if you are wealthy you must know that you are being ripped off.

If they thought they were being ripped off they wouldn't buy it. The fact that there are other people who don't think it is worth it doesn't invalidate the purchase decision of someone who does.

Why do we mortals see that the price is ludicrous and the rich sees it as fair?
Reality for one cannot be different for another? NO?

It is simple economics. We each make purchase decisions based on the amount of disposable income that we have and what other alternative uses we have for those funds. People making minimum wage at WalMart think that we are out of out minds spending $50 for a Pangea power cord when a unit comes with a "perfectly good" $3 IEC cord. Why is it so difficult to understand that someone with a multi million dollar income could consider $4100 not to be a large sum of money. People with access to large amounts of money do not think any differently than you and I, it just may look that way because the amount they have in their audio "war chest" allows them to play in a different strata than most of us, but the thought process is exactly the same. The price is only ludicrous if you don't have the money or have other things you would rather spend the money on.

Now that I think about it I think that one of the big differences between the way wealthy people think vs how middle class people think is that with a limited amount of disposable income most of us need to make or decisions (like this year do I buy that $4100 power cord or take my family ion vacations) whereas wealthy people, because of there financial situation can decide to to either interdependently (this year I think I will buy that power cord, and a new car, and take the family on vacation .) And as long as they came by their money legally there is nothing wrong with that.

Does the fact that one can afford to buy that 4100 power cord make it OK?

The bottom line is yes, it does. If there is one thing I have learned about this hobby is that it is all about personal pleasure. And if somebody out there feels, for whatever reason, that spending $4100 on a power cord will give him more pleasure than spending $4100 on something else, then who am I to argue with him?