UberBuss and DigiBuss

[Nick B]

What I am especially hoping to improve is the resonance/timbre of vocals and especially instruments. That element has always been lacking in my system. The inexpensive UPLINK ethernet that Jack and Evan recommended really improved that and I want more.

That type of reproduction in a system is hard to find... Have heard it on occasion.

Im still using the Link up cable. When Pete was here a few months ago he said to try his cable from.my switch to the streamer. He said no need from the wall to the switch. Its the only cable I have that isnt TWL.  Its not expensive either just havent got around to replacing it yet.

Watch... now there will be a price increase

Maybe so 😝 They offer other cables as well, but not as highly rated. These are also shielded, so I'm curious what an unshielded cable like Pete's will do.

[ejk]

Actually from looking at the Erhard reviews it's the preamps that get the most accolades and have the lower price points. This is the one that would fit what you need. I've discussed the preamps with him several times but for now I don't need another one. Unfortunately as good as Aric's preamps are they are at least twice as expensive with a six month wait time.

https://www.erhard-audio.com/Visio.html

Based on the sound of Holger's amp, his preamp is likely to be very good. I took a look at the link and the parts and quality look very good. The only problem is the attenuator. The stock version has a manual attenuator and an option is to use an Alps that has a remote. I don't want to go back to using an Alps as that is what the Chardonnay had. The dual mono remote that Arek from Khozmo offers is much better as to the quality, digital readout for each channel and functionality of the remote. So if I ever go to a tube preamp, it would have to use a better attenuator with remote control capability.

I took a look at the Aric Audio website and the single and dual mono 6ns7 versions. A lot more expensive and he uses the Khozmo remote. It is the 48 step rather than the 64 step unit that my Hattor has.

So I will keep my Hattor for a while and just see what a better quality ethernet cable can do.

Aric put the 48 step in mine. he said it's cleaner sounding.
Great about the TWL cable. I will wait for my commision

[ejk]

Back to the Uber and the Puritan Labs. listening through the Puritan I hear grunge now that I have the Uber hooked up. All this time I thought my system was silent.

[P.I.]

Back to the Uber and the Puritan Labs. listening through the Puritan I hear grunge now that I have the Uber hooked up. All this time I thought my system was silent.

Yeah...

 

[Nick B]

Actually from looking at the Erhard reviews it's the preamps that get the most accolades and have the lower price points. This is the one that would fit what you need. I've discussed the preamps with him several times but for now I don't need another one. Unfortunately as good as Aric's preamps are they are at least twice as expensive with a six month wait time.

https://www.erhard-audio.com/Visio.html

Based on the sound of Holger's amp, his preamp is likely to be very good. I took a look at the link and the parts and quality look very good. The only problem is the attenuator. The stock version has a manual attenuator and an option is to use an Alps that has a remote. I don't want to go back to using an Alps as that is what the Chardonnay had. The dual mono remote that Arek from Khozmo offers is much better as to the quality, digital readout for each channel and functionality of the remote. So if I ever go to a tube preamp, it would have to use a better attenuator with remote control capability.

I took a look at the Aric Audio website and the single and dual mono 6ns7 versions. A lot more expensive and he uses the Khozmo remote. It is the 48 step rather than the 64 step unit that my Hattor has.

So I will keep my Hattor for a while and just see what a better quality ethernet cable can do.

Aric put the 48 step   in mine. he said it's cleaner sounding.
Great about the TWL cable. I will wait for my commision

I could live with the 48 step. I think the 64 step is for dual mono like my Hattor. I misspoke previously as Aric offers a two chassis preamp and not dual mono.
As to your commission, I wouldn't insult you with money, rather would simply heap praise on you 

[Jack]

There is always the Don Sachs preamps that have the volume control system you are looking for.

[Nick B]

There is always the Don Sachs preamps that have the volume control system you are looking for.

I thought about that. I believe you thought it was on the neutral side. Maybe it's similar to the Holo Serene. I would be leaning toward the Aric.

[P.I.]

Uber arrived today. I have been Ubered. Can't imagine once broken in.

Good news indeed. Noise control is so darn important. My Uber has 8 receptacles and everything is plugged in. It works awesome 🤩

Yes my Uber has 8 also. I wanted to separate the amplifiers and the digital. I will leave the digital hooked up to the puritan labs, and all my amplifiers and preamp be plugged into the uber. One thing I did notice with the uber is that the soundstage is not as deep as when it was hooked up to the puritan labs.

That is unusual.  One of the most consistent comments is depth being much deeper.

Hmmmmm.

[Jack]

Compared to the "old school" tube sound of the Chardonnay it's more to the neutral side but that can be adjusted with RCA black plate tubes in the two input slots. Then it becomes more like the Cabernet. It really has nothing in common with the dead neutral Serence.  The Serene would be more aligned with your Hattor.  The Aric's can be more neutral if you put the right tubes in it like the NOS Tung Sol's it was shipped with.  Replacing those with the smoked glass RCA's changed that.  The rest of the gear in the chain including the cables also have a huge affect system to system. The Sachs would be much warmer with either of your amps than the Hattor.

[ejk]

Uber arrived today. I have been Ubered. Can't imagine once broken in.

Good news indeed. Noise control is so darn important. My Uber has 8 receptacles and everything is plugged in. It works awesome 🤩

Yes my Uber has 8 also. I wanted to separate the amplifiers and the digital. I will leave the digital hooked up to the puritan labs, and all my amplifiers and preamp be plugged into the uber. One thing I did notice with the uber is that the soundstage is not as deep as when it was hooked up to the puritan labs.

That is unusual.  One of the most consistent comments is depth being much deeper.

Hmmmmm.

If I plug the preamp into the Puritan the depth comes back. So right now I only habe the Pass Labs plugged into the Uber

[P.I.]

Uber arrived today. I have been Ubered. Can't imagine once broken in.

Good news indeed. Noise control is so darn important. My Uber has 8 receptacles and everything is plugged in. It works awesome 🤩

Yes my Uber has 8 also. I wanted to separate the amplifiers and the digital. I will leave the digital hooked up to the puritan labs, and all my amplifiers and preamp be plugged into the uber. One thing I did notice with the uber is that the soundstage is not as deep as when it was hooked up to the puritan labs.

That is unusual.  One of the most consistent comments is depth being much deeper.

Hmmmmm.

If I plug the preamp into the Puritan the depth comes back. So right now I only habe the Pass Labs plugged into the Uber

What preamp?

[ejk]

Uber arrived today. I have been Ubered. Can't imagine once broken in.

Good news indeed. Noise control is so darn important. My Uber has 8 receptacles and everything is plugged in. It works awesome 🤩

Yes my Uber has 8 also. I wanted to separate the amplifiers and the digital. I will leave the digital hooked up to the puritan labs, and all my amplifiers and preamp be plugged into the uber. One thing I did notice with the uber is that the soundstage is not as deep as when it was hooked up to the puritan labs.

That is unusual.  One of the most consistent comments is depth being much deeper.

Hmmmmm.

If I plug the preamp into the Puritan the depth comes back. So right now I only habe the Pass Labs plugged into the Uber

What preamp?

Aric Super 6sn7

[Nick B]

Compared to the "old school" tube sound of the Chardonnay it's more to the neutral side but that can be adjusted with RCA black plate tubes in the two input slots. Then it becomes more like the Cabernet. It really has nothing in common with the dead neutral Serence.  The Serene would be more aligned with your Hattor.  The Aric's can be more neutral if you put the right tubes in it like the NOS Tung Sol's it was shipped with.  Replacing those with the smoked glass RCA's changed that.  The rest of the gear in the chain including the cables also have a huge affect system to system. The Sachs would be much warmer with either of your amps than the Hattor.

Thanks for the additional information. Any preamp change would be a ways off. I don't know if Don's preamps are still being made. Is he now affiliated with another firm, is he semi-retired or completely retired? I don't know. I know you went to the Aric preamp and it appears you prefer it over the Sachs. All things considered, I would probably go with the single chassis Aric of ask Holger for a custom order using the Khozmo attenuator and remote.

I do like the RCA 6ns7 tube. It resolves and has that mid range warmth as well

[P.I.]

Uber arrived today. I have been Ubered. Can't imagine once broken in.

Good news indeed. Noise control is so darn important. My Uber has 8 receptacles and everything is plugged in. It works awesome 🤩

Yes my Uber has 8 also. I wanted to separate the amplifiers and the digital. I will leave the digital hooked up to the puritan labs, and all my amplifiers and preamp be plugged into the uber. One thing I did notice with the uber is that the soundstage is not as deep as when it was hooked up to the puritan labs.

That is unusual.  One of the most consistent comments is depth being much deeper.

Hmmmmm.

If I plug the preamp into the Puritan the depth comes back. So right now I only habe the Pass Labs plugged into the Uber

What preamp?

Aric Super 6sn7

Hmmmmm.  I got nuthin'. 

[Jack]

Don is retired from his own company but does consulting work for the new owners at Spatial. 

If you are considering trying to get Holger to use parts from an overseas company he has likely not done business with before I would ask him way in advance of deciding to buy a preamp.  From my discussion with him about preamps he will do some customization in terms of inputs and outputs but I didn't ask about anything else.  Also the Khozmo unit may or may not even fit inside of his preamps with the way they are laid out.  The same thing Mick said.